[talkSAFT]

A lot of "stating the bleeding obvious" going on.

But going to places like Watford:
putting 10 men behind the ball,
33% possession,
getting-what-we-came-for,
job-done,
point-away-from-home,
thank-you-very-much.

....is not satisfactory - it's what gets teams relegated. Those are 3-pointers.
And it's putting Away-day Coach Drivers out of a job.

[Dingle-Dingle]

Ah but if you lose a game then you are a point down and need to replace it with a win. Each win means you can afford to have lost two games.

True, but at least this season you have Villa in the division, so thats a guaranteed 2 wins isn't it!!!

Been a Baggie too long to accept that any given match is a guaranteed win. DD

[meandbrenarebaggies]

I think we all accept that the motives and attitudes of those Corinthian Victorian
gents who started league football are far removed from the ambitions and naked
greed of todays football overlords. I suppose I must sulkily admit that Premiership
football is a business not a sporting model enshrining the best examples of human
behaviour. I should not, therefore, expect too much from a sport that has been
stripped of a lot of its original moral intent. The problem is that when you have
tasted; in your youth and participating years; the sheer pleasure of playing to win
every time you have laced your boots, irrespective of the quality of opposition it
is hard to see that sport descend into a situation where the best, most talented,
exponents are routinely told to aim for a draw. O.K. it’s possible to survive for
another year by these methods but it mocks the single biggest reason for having
league football at all…a fair competition between 20 teams over 38 games. The
powers that be are missing a trick. The product they push is stale, formulaic, and
rapidly becoming boring and yet if they made the minimum effort to give all
teams an equal chance they would have a much better sport to sell. (Beefy; Yes
I would take a Win + 2 Losses against 3 Draws any day for emotional reasons not
logical ones)

[4evaabaggie]

Meandbren you make a good argument, football has become one sided and biased, there are little elite groups in every country that get more than a fair share of help from their governing bodies, it is above our pay grade to sort out the rights and wrongs of it all but I hate it.

However having three draws imo is better than one win and two draws, you create an unbeaten run which improves confidence making wins easier, losing to wet sham and spuds would have made the performance and chance of a win against liverpool very difficult whilst still reaching the same result, three points.

I would always like Albion to play open expansive attacking exciting football trying to win every game, but we have been there done that, our first years in and out of the prem, the result, a short stay, some heavy defeats to teams that allowed us possession in safe areas whilst defending their box, now that sounds familiar.

Not having a go mate, a win and a defeat is better than two draws, but the greed league is where the money is, if we can stay, maybe just maybe we can build back up to being a force to be reckoned with. How many teams have had a Leicester style start or even season before falling apart getting relegated or struggling. TP is trying to rebuild, working with what he has got, we have all said for years we have no pace and no width, allow some slack and the football will return .......... if not the fans real fans will leave.

[talkSAFT]

Let's get Jeremy in charge of things. (That's Corbyn - not Peace). He could Nationalise Football and, like MeandBren are hoping, get it back to how it used to be; should be.
Power would be given to Supporters representatives, and they'd charge £10 max to get in (as in Germany).
It wouldn't bother me one bit if all the "top" players buggered off to Spain/Germany/Italy within a decade, as TV money dried up. (Jeremy would have sent Sky packing by then, and he'd tax the top earners to the hilt.)
We'd be left with level playing fields, and although the quality of the top players would diminish, at least we wouldn't be seeing 10 behind the ball (!!) With the emigration of foreigners we'll soon forget the art of collapsing in agony at every knock - instead we'd get back people with pride, playing for the love of it.
I actually preferred them days before money ruined it. We might see the back of the Nouveaux "footy" fans, as well.
Come on, Jez.

[4evaabaggie]

One last thought on this draw issue ..... against both wet sham and Liverpool ( disregarding the lfc video ref ) a little composure and Do Ron Ron scores a winner in both, a fine save from lloris prevented Jonas getting the winner so not really playing for draws, could easily have been nine points and sixth in the league ....... hash tag just saying.

Sorry I'm nearly fifty, shouldn't be using hash tag ......

Albion til I die ........ CoYB

[Tibby Baggie]

One last thought on this draw issue ..... against both wet sham and Liverpool ( disregarding the lfc video ref ) a little composure and Do Ron Ron scores a winner in both, a fine save from lloris prevented Jonas getting the winner so not really playing for draws, could easily have been nine points and sixth in the league ....... hash tag just saying.

Sorry I'm nearly fifty, shouldn't be using hash tag ......

Albion til I die ........ CoYB

#spotonpost! 

[Beefy 1965]

Meandbren you make a good argument, football has become one sided and biased, there are little elite groups in every country that get more than a fair share of help from their governing bodies, it is above our pay grade to sort out the rights and wrongs of it all but I hate it.

However having three draws imo is better than one win and two draws, you create an unbeaten run which improves confidence making wins easier, losing to wet sham and spuds would have made the performance and chance of a win against liverpool very difficult whilst still reaching the same result, three points.

I would always like Albion to play open expansive attacking exciting football trying to win every game, but we have been there done that, our first years in and out of the prem, the result, a short stay, some heavy defeats to teams that allowed us possession in safe areas whilst defending their box, now that sounds familiar.

Not having a go mate, a win and a defeat is better than two draws, but the greed league is where the money is, if we can stay, maybe just maybe we can build back up to being a force to be reckoned with. How many teams have had a Leicester style start or even season before falling apart getting relegated or struggling. TP is trying to rebuild, working with what he has got, we have all said for years we have no pace and no width, allow some slack and the football will return .......... if not the fans real fans will leave.

Forever I think I know what you mean but I think you have made a little Error in what you have said 
You stated this .......
However having three draws imo is better than one win and two draws, you create an unbeaten run which improves confidence making wins easier, losing to wet sham and spuds would have made the performance and chance of a win against liverpool very difficult whilst still reaching the same result, three points.
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Yes three draws equals 3 Points but one win and two draws equals 5 Points hence not the same result or 3 points as you have quoted 
Oh and we would still be unbeaten
Think you really meant to say one win and 2 losses .......Yes ? 

[4evaabaggie]

Cheers beefy, yes three draws better than one win and two defeats. Had a hard weekend, on to two twelve hour days and two twelve hour nights, each shift with a combined three hour commute, head gets a bit scrambled.

[Beefy 1965]

Cheers beefy, yes three draws better than one win and two defeats. Had a hard weekend, on to two twelve hour days and two twelve hour nights, each shift with a combined three hour commute, head gets a bit scrambled.

Any excuse eh