All-time League Positions

talkSAFT · 25-05-2015, 16:26

The updated All-time League positions are as below.
Very little change from last season, and I can't see many positions changing too soon. Albion will probably remain 11th best in my lifetime. Laugh

Based purely on League position since The Football League's inauguration (1888), these are the top 50 Clubs.

The League champions are awarded 92 League pts, whilst the bottom team in League 2 are awarded 1 League point.
(Between 1924 and 1950, there were only 88 Clubs in the League, and so the League champions gained 88 League pts.
Between 1888 (12 Clubs) and 1923 (86 Clubs) there were varying nos of League members.
The Champs get 12 pts (for example) for winning the 1888-89 season (12 Clubs).
When there were 2 Division 3s (North & South), the winners would have each received 49 pts, whilst the runners-up both got 47.

1 Liverpool 8029
2 Arsenal 7974
3 Everton 7899
4 Manchester United 7812
5 Aston Villa 7714
6 Manchester City 7392
7 Newcastle United 7370
8 Sunderland 7238
9 Tottenham Hotspur 7215
10 Chelsea 7181
11 West Bromwich Albion 6956
12 Blackburn Rovers 6799
13 Derby County 6685
14 Wolves 6625
15 Sheffield Wednesday 6603
16 Bolton Wanderers 6601
17 Middlesbrough 6560
18 Sheffield United 6524
19 Birmingham City 6467
20 West Ham United 6427
21 Nottingham Forest 6420
22 Leeds United 6379
23 Leicester City 6372
24 Stoke City 6257
25 Burnley 5895
26 Southampton 5781
27 Preston North End 5544
28 Portsmouth 5337
29 Fulham 5191
30 Huddersfield Town 5155
31 Charlton Athletic 5154
32 Blackpool 5050
33 Coventry City 5001
34 Norwich City 4761
35 Queens Park Rangers 4618
36 Ipswich Town 4590
37 Cardiff City 4418
38 Crystal Palace 4380
39 Bristol City 4296
40 Notts County 4258
41 Barnsley 4241
42 Hull City 4198
43 Luton Town 4153
44 Bury 3995
45 Oldham Athletic 3970
46 Millwall 3953
47 Grimsby Town 3827
48 Plymouth Argyle 3765
49 Swansea City 3738
50 Watford 3726

**St Charles Owl** · 25-05-2015, 18:27

Considering we haven't been in the Premier League for 15 seasons now, I am happy to see us move up to 15th in this table. Give it another couple of years and hopefully we will be back in the top leage and overtaking Derby and Wolves!!

BBB · 25-05-2015, 23:23

If you have worked on this alone, then I take my hat off to you, cos this must have been heavy work. Thumb up

BBB

talkSAFT · 26-05-2015, 09:55

(25-05-2015, 23:23)BBB Wrote: If you have worked on this alone, then I take my hat off to you, cos this must have been heavy work.

BBB

HaHa
I had a very idle day at work a few years ago, and practised my XL skills, pretending to look busy!
The motivation was to prove to a Dingle mate that WE were more accomplished than THEM, and we were both surprised at the results.
We're 331 pts above them, which means that they would have to finish a whole division above us for the next 15 years or so to pass us.
Of course, he wasn't satisfied with that, and quoted the 3 League Championships and European Cup pioneers - but I quoted the fact that they had been in the old 4th Division, and had only really been any good in the 50s and 70s.
Every fan of every Club will try to distort the facts to suit their circumstances, but you just can't argue with this League Table. I posted it a few years ago on a Chelsea board, and got dogs' abuse because it included stats before Abramovich!

silverbaggie · 26-05-2015, 09:56

Initially, I was a bit surprised to see Liverpool 'top of the pile' as they were very much a second division team in the years just after the War ended then, I remembered their dominance in the 70's

It's also interesting to see that the likes of Charlton Athletic and Preston N.E. are still in the top 50 even though neither have been in the 'top flight' for many a year.

talkSAFT · 26-05-2015, 10:09

(26-05-2015, 09:56)silverbaggie Wrote: Initially, I was a bit surprised to see Liverpool 'top of the pile' as they were very much a second division team in the years just after the War ended then, I remembered their dominance in the 70's

It's also interesting to see that the likes of Charlton Athletic and Preston N.E. are still in the top 50 even though neither have been in the 'top flight' for many a year.

I've got the stats "by era" somewhere, and I'll dig them out for interest.
eg 19th Century; pre WW1; Between the Wars; 40s/50s; 60s; 70s; 80s; 90s; 21st Century.

silverbaggie · 27-05-2015, 09:53

That could be interesting as I always thought that the Baggies team of the 1960's had been more successful in the league than it had. I expect it's a case of memories playing tricks as you get older.

Cup exploits were in that decade of course sensational!

In fact despite having some wonderful players in that era (Barlow, Kennedy, Allen, Kevan and later Astle, Hope and Brown) I think that we rarely finished in the top seven or eight in the league table.

talkSAFT · (This post was last modified: 27-05-2015, 17:52 by talkSAFT.)

(27-05-2015, 09:53)silverbaggie Wrote: That could be interesting as I always thought that the Baggies team of the 1960's had been more successful in the league than it had. I expect it's a case of memories playing tricks as you get older.

Cup exploits were in that decade of course sensational!

In fact despite having some wonderful players in that era (Barlow, Kennedy, Allen, Kevan and later Astle, Hope and Brown) I think that we rarely finished in the top seven or eight in the league table.

Hi Ho Silver,
I'll try and get these stats updated, but I had some stats already on Us v D1ngle5:

Pre WW1 we come 14th, and they come 15th
Between the Wars we come 11th and they come 28th
40s/50s we come 13th and they come 3rd
60s    we come 7th and they come 13th
70s    we come 16th and they come 11th
80s    we come 18th and they come 38th
90s    we come 39th and they come 28th

When I 1st went in the late 50s we regularly finished 4th or 5th, after coming Runners-up in 54, and in the 60s we averaged about 1/2 way. Late 70s early 80s we came 3rd, 4th, 5th etc until we went down with a bump in 86, never to return to the Top Division untl Gary Megson's era.

talkSAFT · (This post was last modified: 30-05-2015, 15:35 by talkSAFT.)

Pre WW1
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Aston Villa 1
Everton 2
Sunderland 3
Blackburn 4
Sheff Wed 5
Sheff Utd 6
Newcastle 7
Preston 8
Bolton 9
Liverpool 10
Derby 11
Blackpool 12
Man City 13
WBA 14
Wolves 15
Nottm Forest 16
Man Utd 17
Bury 18
Burnley 19
Arsenal 20

Between the Wars

Sunderland 1
Arsenal 2
Huddersfield 3
Liverpool 4
Aston Villa 5
Bolton 6
Man City 7
Everton 8
Derby 9
Newcastle 10
WBA 11
Birmingham 12
Blackburn 13
Sheff Utd 14
Middlesbrough 15
Chelsea 16
Sheff Wed 17
Leeds 18
Leicester 19
Tottenham 20
Preston 21
Man Utd 22
West Ham 23
Burnley 24
Portsmouth 25
Stoke 26
Bury 27
Wolves 28
Blackpool 29
Nottm Forest 30

40s/50s

Man Utd 1
Wolves 2
Arsenal 3
Blackpool 4
Burnley 5
Portsmouth 6
Bolton 7
Aston Villa 8
Preston 9
Newcastle 10
Chelsea 11
WBA 12
Sunderland 13
Man City 14
Tottenham 15
Charlton 16
Liverpool 17
Everton 18
Birmingham 19
Huddersfield 20
Middlesbrough 21
Sheff Utd 23
Stoke 23
Sheff Wed 24
Derby 25
Leeds 27
Blackburn 29

60s

Tottenham 1
Everton 2
Man Utd 3
Burnley 4
Sheff Wed 5
Arsenal 6
WBA 7
Liverpool 8
Chelsea 9
Leicester 10
West Ham 11
Nottm Forest 12
Wolves 13
Leeds 14
Sheff Utd 15
Man City 16
Blackburn 18
Newcastle 19
Aston Villa 21
Middlesbrough 22
Stoke 22
Ipswich 23
Sunderland 24
Bolton 25
Birmingham 26
Preston 30

70s

Liverpool 1
Leeds 2
Derby 3
Arsenal 4
Everton 5
Man City 6
Ipswich 7
Man Utd 8
Tottenham 9
Wolves 10
Coventry 11
Newcastle 12
Stoke 13
Chelsea 14
WBA 15
West Ham 16
Leicester 17
QPR 18
Middlesbrough 19
Birmingham 20
Norwich 21
Southampton 22
Nottm Forest 23
Sheff Utd 24
Burnley 25
Aston Villa 26
Sunderland 27
Bristol City 28
Blackpool 29