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#91
(29-12-2020, 22:35)BaggieSteve Wrote: I fully agree that these are Bilic’s signings, although we were all delighted when he signed Pereira and Diangana permanently, which used up a substantial chunk of his available budget. Grant has been a huge disappointment but, in all honesty, you get bugger all for £14 million if you’re wanting a Premiership level striker. Who else could he have signed that would score goals in this league? With the budget he was given, I understand why he turned to those players he felt he could trust and knew.
Allardyce was allegedly going to put some structure into the team that apparently hadn’t got any under Bilic and some organisation into the defence. He would also not make the same baffling substitutions that Bilic made. This was Allardyce’s first big test under those criteria (he couldn’t influence the Villa result and Liverpool was a freak in the way City was for Bilic); Leeds are a good team but they concede aplenty. Allardyce completely failed this test. That performance would have embarrassed a non league team playing Leeds in the FA Cup 3rd round. I await with interest reading his post match comments

I agree that the signings of Grady and Pereira, individually, were good signings for the money. Grant i'll reserve judgement on until he's had more time.

But the issue is that we maxed out our cheque book with these signings, all luxury players. We spent £30m on the trio of Grant, Robinson and Grady who all played left wing last season. If you add Pereira into the mix that's a £40m outlay. While he might not operate from the left, he too is another winger/luxury player.

Then we used a loan on "top target" Krovinovic who is yet another luxury midfielder, who spent much of last season operating from - you guessed it - the left side.

All this when we already had Phillips, Edwards and Grosicki at the club...

The latter of which is probably the pick of the bunch, but never gets a look in, ironically.

The transfer policy was dreadful. And while I appreciate I am saying this in hindsight, I thought it was obvious from our capitulation last season that we needed to build a stronger spine. We needed to add an enforcer to sit in front of the defence and we needed to replace the likes of Furlong, Bartley and Connor Townsend. It was obvious that if we were going to play 2 central midfielders, which we started with this season, Sawyers had to be replaced as he didn't have the legs to play in a 2.

Young wingers are probably the easiest player to get on loan, so no idea why we spent all of our budget on them.

I can only blame Bilic and Downling for this. Some might say they were naive, but IMO they were blind to the obvious. Couldn't see the wood from the trees.

As for Allardyce, he didn't have the impact I wanted today. I felt he should've played more big lads to take advantage of Leeds poor defending from set plays. But to be completely fair to him, it's very difficult when you setup the side to defend to stem the early Leeds pressure and one of the lads decides to score a screamer of an own goal from 25 yards. You can't really account for that. After that, we didn't have the quality to chase the game with our leggy midfield chasing shadows against their much fitter, more dynamic side. It is what it is, that's the dross he's been left with, enough left wingers to fill and entire XI and Lee Peltier as full back cover...

So I'll personally give Allardyce a few games before I'm critical of him. At the moment he's left with Bilic's disjointed mess of a squad. After today's game, he finally has the licence to change the team, which he didn't have after Man City and Liverpool. I also hope we are already working in the transfer market, because boy we need it. A defensive midfielder and full backs are absolute musts!
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#92
Pint of gravy for big spam tonight instead of white vino.
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#93
(29-12-2020, 23:10)BaggieSteve Wrote: I think putting Ivanovic into the defence in place of either O’Shea or Ajayi would be a disaster. The guy is appalling- he has the speed of a snail and the turning circle of an oil tanker. As poor as tonight was, I would stick with our current central defenders (I use the word in its widest sense) although I understand the idea of Ajayi in midfield. We need a younger Ivanovic (about ten years younger) to play alongside O’Shea if we move Ajayi

I just feel that we need to bolster our midfield with more defensive awareness and mobility. With what we have at the club, Ajayi is the only option.

Completely get your point about Ivanovic, although I think appalling is a bit harsh. While he is slow, he's the best of the bunch in the air and still has that winning mentality which we are drastically short of. Also think he'd be good for a couple of goals as well.

Which feeds into the secondary benefit - the extra power in the air from corners and set pieces. I think we absolutely need this, given we haven't looked at all creative from open play all season. To be honest, I'd actually pick O'Shea at right back and Ivanovic and Bartley in the middle, just to boost us even more aerially. I don't even rate Bartley, but I just think we need a change of formula. Also think Furlong is dreadful.

Of course, if we could bring someone in to replace Ivanovic, even better. But with what we have, I honestly think that extra big man would give us more chance of grinding out results.

Just makes a mockery of the Hegazi sale even more. I said at the time we will get what we deserve as a club for making that decision. While I was never his biggest fan, at least he was a proper defender with experience and would walk into the side we have now.
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#94
Oh dear.
1 step forward and about 4 back.

What do you think, Fraser?
"We're dooOOMed, I tell you. DOOOOMED!"
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#95
I will not blame Allardyce, we have been going backwards with the Championship players Bilic wanted, so let Sam have this transfer window to bring in players who are up for the fight and get rid of those who aren’t. We could be in for a wait though it is looking more and more like a circuit breaker could be bought in. Allardyce wants this along with other managers. I agree we cannot go on with football with the country in turmoil over COVID.
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(30-12-2020, 00:24)wba13 Wrote: I will not blame Allardyce, we have been going backwards with the Championship players Bilic wanted, so let Sam have this transfer window to bring in players who are up for the fight and get rid of those who aren’t. We could be in for a wait though it is looking more and more like a circuit breaker could be bought in. Allardyce wants this along with other managers. I agree we cannot go on with football with the country in turmoil over COVID.

Couldn`t we have a Season breaker and start again in August?? Asking for a friend.

DD Huh Huh
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#97
If I was Sam I’d tell them all to go home and think hard about wether they really want to turn up at the club again and suspend their wages at the same time see who gives a rats ass then wouldn’t we
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#98
I'm not an admirer of Allerdyce, but his next team selection will decide if he's here for the money or here to do a job.
If Gibbs, Phillips, Sawyer's or Livermore are selected again - sack Sam immediately. Sack Dowling and his recruitment team for not having a clue and proving it. All this Mamby Pamby crap has to stop.
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2020 the year the bubble burst  Doh
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#99
Oh shit! Just woke from a bad dream:

2 weeks ago I sent my lad to the Bookie's with my last quid....

I said
"Accumulator: Man City 0-5 ; Villa 1-1 ; Liverpool 0-3 ; Leeds 1-1" (Decent predictions, I thought, and a great New Year if they all come up).

He phoned me last night to say he made a big mistake.
He'd misheard all the scores and thought I'd got them upside down: MC 1-1; Villa 0-3; L'Pool 1-1; Leeds 0-5

So he did me a favour and put my quid on Albion appointing Allardyce!
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(30-12-2020, 11:04)Blue Baggie Wrote: I'm not an admirer of Allerdyce, but his next team selection will decide if he's here for the money or here to do a job.
If Gibbs, Phillips, Sawyer's or Livermore are selected again - sack Sam immediately. Sack Dowling and his recruitment team for not having a clue and proving it. All this Mamby Pamby crap has to stop.

Don’t disagree with most of your statement but Livermore will not be available anyway against Arsenal. But the thing with Livermore he would not have thrown the towel in against Leeds.At least you get effort from him. I do agree we now need him replacing though along with a few others. I for one didn’t want Bilic sacked but these are his Championship players and they are proving week in and week out there not good enough. I didn’t want Allardyce but we have to give him a chance to bring in his signings and see how we get on.I hope a leader like Deeney is first on his list.
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