[Devongone]

I don't think we specifically want relegation ....... I do think we are prepared to take the risk, because it also creates success we can achieve (as well as failure we can fight against). There are financial and psychological rewards to yo yoing. We sail close to a financial wind and sometimes bringing in the lifeboat isn't enough to save us.

If I can look at our team at the season's start and think our midfield looks weak and our defence dodgy, then isn't it likely a pro' like Danny Wilson knew that too? And assuming he didn't actually want the sack there has to be an explanation why he didn't do more.

There is an absence of openness about the club, so we don't know why Paul Mitchell left, and we are left to guess why the club repeatedly chooses to lose out on a player who has been a success, just because of his wage demands. What are the economics of maintaining a wage cap at the cost of losing a place in Division One?

I'm afraid 57 years of watching the club going precisely nowhere has finally convinced me that decent men and the corrupt too have looked at us and decided this is us. In Division Two we are promotable, but Division One is topped by our very own glass ceiling. Even when we hit the play-offs in Division One we played rush-goalies and our manager was simultaneously talking to another club.

Danny is what, 57? You either have to believe that he has lost all the managerial ability that got Barnsley to the Premier League, OR there are factors about Chesterfield that make getting us to mid-table in Division One harder than the huge job he faced at Barnsley.

We can make Danny our wicker man and burn him on our pyre. A new saviour might climb us excitingly up the division, but in two years, unless the club changes radically, we'll be building him a pyre too.

I think it is a mistake to imagine that a club chairman or chief executive has the same motivations and loves as a life-long supporter. If our Chairman were called Bluepooch, even if we were next to the bottom of Division Two I'd know that in his heart of hearts he'd have us in the Championship if he could. We'd be fools not to suspect the motives of those in charge of the club. However good a young player we produce, however much we sell him for, we won't pay down our debt to our Chairman. We can breathe a sigh of relief that he has us on such a lifeline, or we can see that lifeline as merely a chain binding us to him.

[spireitematt]

Got to look at it this way. What will be will be Que Sera Sera. I will support the club no matter what division we are in even if we are in the Conference or the Northern Premier League.

If we get a new manager they could come in and we might win a few games and it could go back to what it was before, you see it other clubs where they sack a manager a new one comes in and results improve for a few weeks and then there form goes back to what it was before they sacked there manager.

If Danny leaves then who replaces him? Morgan? Humphreys? Steve Evans? Giggs? Nigel Adkins? I think we need to stick with Danny and eventually we will get it right. Remember a few seasons ago Accrington couldn't get a win under James Beattie for love nor money and then eventually something clicked and they started to win games.

I think the problem we have is we've got too many injuries and missing key players like Tommy, Dan Jones and Conor Wilkinson who can be game changers. I think the other problem is fitness we seem to concede goals around the hour mark and seem to switch off mentality.

[Devongone]

Marmalade Adkins AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!! Would he be better or worse than Steve Evans? Answers on one side of the paper only.

Can't imagine the problem is physical fitness with that nutter taking charge. It might be mental fitness or that the players are physically tired before they start ......

Why have we so many injuries? Why do injured players come back for us and immediately go down injured again? A top club would be asking why, we just accept that it's bad luck.

We are currently in a place in which the club AND even we supporters KNEW we might be. I just think there is a sense in which we've got to accept this IS the kind of club we are and therefore must want to be. If we were ever to reach the Championship it would the equivalent of falling upwards - a very surprising and totally accidental process.

[bluepooch]

There are hundreds of managers and potential managers out there who would do a better job than Wilson.My mothers 83 and she could put a side out to score a goal in a football match
I cannot believe what an easy ride he is getting from the fans ,if it was any other manager or (any other club )they'd be clamouring to put his head on top of the spire.
He is lucky there is this vendetta against DA and co and whats all this crap about hes one of our own ? he is a lancashire lad for crying out loud .

[spireitematt]

At the end of the day all fans are wannabe managers in their own mind but its a tough job which isn't secure or stable.

I'm not disputing that there are managers who could do a better job than Wilson but could they do it on the budget Wilson has been given? I don't think he's getting an easy ride but at the moment we are in a situation which isn't easy and we've seen this before when Sheridan got us promoted into L1 and we struggled because we lost players like Smalley and Davies and even then Tommy was injured and we had the likes of Soderberg and Adam Smith and Fleming in net for us. Bit like Deja Vu again.

We have no money for players and can't sign anyone until someone leaves in January. We can't get players in on loan till the January transfer window opens.

But I think if we go out the cup tomorrow to Colchester and get beat badly against Sheffield United on Sky then he should walk away.

[bluepooch]

Theres only one change the club can make until Jan and that's lose the loser and his sidekick .
Trust me the cost of paying them off would be cheaper than relegation.
Of course we have to get the right replacement in and Im hoping they make the right decision otherwise DA should sell up to the highest bidder.

[Devongone]

How old was Danny when he came to Chesterfield, 20? He's as near to being one of our own as it tends to get nowadays. He chose to live here. He kept friends here. He came to watch the club play when he had nothing officially to do with it.

He achieved something in his managerial none of our recent managers has even come near .......

If it weren't for Mr Allen the club might not even exist, it almost certainly would not have such a ground. Certainly he has tied us to him. Almost certainly he could choose to release money and give us a chance of avoiding relegation. Equally he could give us a promotion season yet again in Division 2. I'd sooner we were free of him, but how do we free ourselves of the debt?

If relegation is so costly why do we choose it with such great regularity?

A new manager can inspire players to succeed, but that pre-supposes they have sufficient ability to do so. We have Ched, Gboly, very occasionally O'Shea, an injured Tommy Lee (and possibly a very very young centre forward) who other clubs might actually want. It would be a very thin basis of talent on which to expect a decent bloke like The Hump to float a managerial career or create a squad to avoid relegation ........

I'm all for revolutions but if we ditch Danny and Morgan, bring in a nit or Pooch's mum, DA walks away then either the Fat Controller takes over or he walks away too ......... and what is left - the nit we chose?

[Dancingwilldoit]

Nowt wrong with Lancastrians Blue. We were always second class citizens to the pompous might of the other side but seemed to beat them repeatedly at everything.
The one thing you forget is just who we are. The team we support is Chesterfield, the same yo-yo team that has been up and down the bottom 2 divisions for as long as I can remember. A season in the Championship would be very nice thank you but with our fickle fan base we wouldn't last long. If we do go down is it the end of the world or just another chapter in Stuart Bassons history of the Blues?
I am sure DW will get it right - again. This time last season Barnsley were in the same position as us and look where they are now.
I have seen flashes of a team capable of doing just the same. If I were a betting man (I'm not) my money would be on us to win Sunday. Maybe that's why I don't lose or win much but hey who cares.
We will turn the corner. Just think if we are still in the doldrums come Christmas, we have Ebanks Blake back in January to look forward to (even you have to admit any manager that could off load that load of crap for a couple of months deserves a 12 month contract extension).
Things are not right at the club but its times like this that supporters need to do just that. The B2Proact is like a graveyard when things are not going well. That must rub off on the players. Instead of lifting the team the fans just withdraw into their shells and then moan like hell on social media and local radio. We all need to do better.
Give him till the end of the year if we are still in the mire come back and tell me I'm an idiot.

[Devongone]

I think you largely end up with what you budget for, so we've got a couple of good players and lots of sprinkles of promise around the squad. We lack the players you can look to when the going gets tough. It is possible Danny could make a team out of the available material. I'm pretty sure Pooch's mum would be at a loss.

It is true we are what we are, but if Burton didn't have to accept such limitations forever why must our supporters? Our last attempt at the play-offs was a disgrace. Our manager knew he was leaving, so did the best of the team and at the end of a season with keepers available everywhere in emergency, we recruited one to let a goal in from a bus stop three miles from the ground ........ Preston were better than us anyway, but we didn't half go out of our way to prove it.

We'll end up where we want and deserve to be. If we choose to piss on Danny Wilson in the process, we'll be pissing on one of our few genuine heroes. And if we were to get a new Chairman, would he be better than Mr Allen, more flexible, more generous? Might he not be capricious, deaf to the fans, a man who would see the Proact as his personal fiefdom and playground?