[Tibby Baggie]

My view is that it's butting heads over two polar opposite opinions and I can see where you're both coming from to some extent.

BaggieMan- I'd also agree that anyone who thinks Pulis is 100% guaranteed to keep us up is deluded, but calling 5 points from the first 5 games of the season relegation form is equally so. By that logic Chelsea are also relegation candidates this season. Yes the football frankly is shite right now, but we played 3 of those 5 games without arguably our best player and last seasons top scorer. 

Firstly, welcome to the forum Tibby Baggie 

5 points from 5 games is borderline relegation form. That gives you 38 points over the season which is what Villa got last season, finishing 17th. Also, in acquiring those 5 points we've scored ONE goal, which was against 9 men! Even the two we scored against Chelsea, one was against a team 2-0 up and lacking concentration, the other against 10 men. Even more worrying, how many chances have we missed so far this season? I can't think of many. Saido against Watford, Morrison's penalty... Any others I'm missing? That shows that we're simply not creating anything which is highly, highly worrying. We're just not set up in a way that is going to create chances.

Thanks Will 

My point was more of jumping to hasty conclusions based on 5 games into a season but there's no denying the attacking play so far has been dire, no defense of that from me at all. 

Also looking at things from another perspective those chances you've mentioned that I've bolded, just think of how we would all be feeling now if those 2 chances had been taken. We could have been talking about a getting 3 points at Watford that on paper I don't either team deserved, and just how much that penalty could have effected the outcome of the Chelsea game. If Berahino hadn't been unsettled by Spurs and playing, I'd have put my house on him taking that pen and smashing it home mate. 

And as for the Barcelona of Staffordshite, Stoke City. They're rock bottom of the form table. 9 men or not. We got 3 points, they got none.

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