[bomberbrown1968]

They haven't become bad players all of a sudden, the buck has to stop at the coaching & selection process and that's down to Irvine who's the head of all coaching and selection.

While you say you're not convinced by what you've seen of Gamboa, are you any more convinced what you've seen of Baird?

It's not only Irvines selections I'm astounded by, it's the in game tactics and substitutions he employs, notably when Gamboa comes on he switches Wisdom to left back ???. Yacob hasn't made a league start for as long as I can remember, but starts against Chelsea ???. And when we have managed to take the lead in a tight game he tries to shore things up at all costs to the detriment of any formation we may have had, Sunderland first day of the season.

His interview spoke volumes - "game plan" the only game plan we had yesterday was to go to Chelsea devoid of any other intention than to get 0-0, when we went a goal down that was it!!!! he didn't have another. The sooner people see him for his ineptitude rather than him being just a nice bloke the better.

There are 3 worse clubs than us this season, of that I'm confident, but I won't accept that there are 16 better