[spireitematt]

Re your end comments, TBF I'm fed up to the back teeth of listening to the triumphalist 'we won the brexit' pish that emanates from various individuals down south (incl Little Englanders) on a weekly basis and I'll bet I'm not the only one of millions of UK citizens who are absolutely fed up with this mentality/behaviour. Perhaps I have pre-judged you in that respect (but your anti EU comments don't correlate to that of a professed remain voter!) and pardon my frustration and irritation with this developing trend that seems to predominate down south. Re the comparison with Scotland and Scottish indy, I'd argue that English nationalism and the dreaded brexit fiasco followed Scottish referendum year 2014 and it was orchestrated by a stupid fool of a PM named David Cameron - it should never have happened!!! Also the form of nationalism that I'm referring to and observed in the media, uttered by shameless English politicians etc has poisonous elements attached to it - hatred, mysogny, racism, antagonism and other poisonous forms of human behaviour that are totally unacceptable in a civilised society. There is no comparison to what I'd describe as 'civic nationalism' up here in Scotland. Of course I want Scottish independence but I want it because I believe we have a progressive government that can fully run our country away from the political interference and disrespect from Westminster and it can be accomplished very well and contrary to all the 'scaremongering' and doom laden comments that emanate from unionists up here and down south. As far as I'm concerned, the vote for brexit was a predominant English one and it's no different to Scots being landed with the wrong UK govt AGAIN and contrary to the opposite voting pattern in Scotland. Also the evolving political disrespect and anti Scot govt/Scot indy campaign that has brazenly gone on for months n months is totally unacceptable and I believe that's one of the main reasons (as well as the Tory implosion and Scot Labour infighting) why the SNP/Scot govt is picking up again in the popularity stakes and is apparently better placed now than it was during the buoyant period in 2012. Sure, the impending UK divorce from the EU is similar but IMO utter folly + the UK is a disunited country, a nation with such a huge population and conceding to break away from the biggest single market in the world and one that looks like it is gradually 'picking up' again in economic terms. UTTER FOLLY and it's clear that Theresa May (and other Tory cohorts) is beginning to realise that fact - talk about being 'forced into a corner' with nowhere to go!

I am Eurosceptic and very sceptical of the EU but I voted remain because I thought if the UK had a seat at the table and managed to get other countries onside then they could reform the EU instead of just walking away after 43-44 years. I also didn't trust the Tories to sort out any of this and I guess I was right as its been a complete xxxx-up. I think the majority expected a cross-party group to deal with taking the UK out of the EU.

The way both sides have dealt with this up to now has been atrocious. The Tories are making it up as they go along and the EU are being pig-headed and hoping that we change our minds or that we leave with no deal which looks very likely. The problem was the last Government didn't have a plan in place for the Leave scenario as they were so sure that Remain would win.

The problem with referendums is they are nothing but opinion polls there advisory but the Government promised to implement the result of the EU referendum. Also too many people didn't vote because they were banking on Remain winning and they took it for granted and when the result was Leave they demanded a re-run because they didn't vote, well they should have exercised there right to vote.

I do believe though that there should have been rules set in the referendum which one of the two sides would have to get 60%+ with all of the electorate allowed a vote.

We can keep having referendums till the cows come home on the EU or Scottish independence but all it does is divide and turn people against each other and there will always be someone upset or annoyed that they didn't get the result that they wanted. We could have referendums on whenever we should have a referendum.