[hibeejim21]

I think you are glorifying the Lord Advocates role in all this.  He has not been assigned to contribute, he has asked permission to be able to contribute, permission that may or may not be granted.  Got to love Nicola and her grandstanding, love the way she says Scotland should be treated as an equal partner in the decision and process but how exactly would that work??  The referendum was won by a total of 1.4m votes (wrong decision in my view), so even if all the Scottish votes had been given to remain, the leave campaign would still have won across the UK as a whole!!  Scotland should have a say proportionate to its size within the UK, which equates to about 10%.  That might be enough to swing the vote but its as much as equal should mean in this case.

How can Scotland be in a union with a sovereign state, when it is Scotland's union with another country which creates that sovereign state? Comprende ?

Much was said not so long ago about Scotland being a partner, even an equal valued partner in the Union. Just because in reality it is not treated as such does not mean that is simply a region like Yorkshire and it should have a say that is 'proportionate' to its size . Thats a xxxx ludicrous argument.

Perhaps the only conclusion which can be drawn is that if the union to which Scotland belongs treats it as if it is just 10% of the kingdom, then there is something seriously wrong and something that constitutionally needs changed.

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Is this the same UKIP that is visibly imploding at this current time? Another embarrassment to British politics TBF! Also some of the British people voted to leave and it was never a super duper huge majority that many Brexit protagonists keep exaggerating at every opportunity. And MPs lose their jobs? Not really because it was never a huge majority and if the vote was rerun tomorrow it would most certainly be a resounding remain vote mainly because we've discovered there was no real plan, no green paper and no white paper either and many within the British voting population were effectively 'sold a pup'!!
Lastly, the latest revelation that Scotland's most senior law officer, The Lord Advocate, will be assigned by the Scottish govt to contribute to the debate during May's appeal to the Supreme Court, says it all for me - a fitting legal intervention from a Scottish point of view and lets force the UK PM back to a parliamentary debate and collective decision re Brexit!


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37909299

The lord advocate is an authority of constitutional matters,it wouldn't surprise me if he finds some obstacles to throw in theresa may's path.

[St Charles Owl]

How can you advocate that part of the UK have more say than their proportionate population, or economic input to the country as a whole?? What metric should be used to decide these things?? At the end of the day we live in a society of one man, one vote, why would anyone be deserving of more than that??

[hibeejim21]

Well if thats the deal stop telling us we are 'equal partners' in the union that WE made possible. Just be honest with the scottish people and tell em the truth.

The key point here is may has already given us 'a constitutional crisis' by first acting without consent of Parliament and then by acting against the set party pro-Brexit manifesto. Sturgeon has taken a vow to represent scotlands interests,scotland voted to stay in the EU. Whats unfolding is perfectly natural,she isn't 'grandstanding' at all,she's just doing her job.

Its got nothing to do with whats 'proportionate' either,UK politics has never been built on that. If it was the UK wouldn't have a first past the post system.

Oh and the Scottish government have employed the services of Scottish advocates to observe this case because of course it was heard in the English high court which has no jurisdiction in Scotland It seems a reasonable course of action all things considered. This decision even if overturned by the UK supreme court does not impinge on the right of a similar case being brought before the Scottish courts . Sturgeon took the oath of office before the court of session in Edinburgh not the English courts, she is along with every member of the Scottish parliament regardless of party duty bound to uphold and defend the independence of Scots law which itself recognises the primacy not of UK law but that of the EU.


Once you take that on board,you realise that when English and Welsh voters elected to leave the EU they did not vote on the sovereignty of Westminster or on the status of Scots law within the UK nor on either the act of union or the devolution settlement. The tories have not thought this through believe me.

[ritchiebaby]

It would seem to me that Scotland (in law) does not recognise "the sovereignty of Parliament." Certainly English and Welsh Law does. I think that Scotland has jurisdiction only on devolved matters, no more. However, I am no legal expert.

As feared there is going to be only one winner in all of this - the legal profession.

[0762]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37983948

This is another memo that reiterates the fact that May and her cohorts still don't have a fully thought out plan to initiate Brexit as the months pass by. IMO as said previously - I always thought the 'wrong people' were in charge to deal with this kinda situation and I think that will be proved beyond all doubt in the months to come!!

[hibeejim21]

So BoJo reveals more to a Czech newspaper about Brexit than he does to his own nation. That's a shocker. what about keeping things tight lipped before negotiations ?

If he's right about us leaving the customs union the UK will be trading under WTO terms in 2019 and dealing with over 160 WTO members while negotiating trade deals. I don't believe thats ever been done before,negotiating everything from scratch. xxxx barmy.

The governments grip on this has slipped away completely. Thats if they ever had one at all.

[0762]

I think you are glorifying the Lord Advocates role in all this.  He has not been assigned to contribute, he has asked permission to be able to contribute, permission that may or may not be granted.  Got to love Nicola and her grandstanding, love the way she says Scotland should be treated as an equal partner in the decision and process but how exactly would that work??  The referendum was won by a total of 1.4m votes (wrong decision in my view), so even if all the Scottish votes had been given to remain, the leave campaign would still have won across the UK as a whole!!  Scotland should have a say proportionate to its size within the UK, which equates to about 10%.  That might be enough to swing the vote but its as much as equal should mean in this case.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38027230

Get in there!! Scotland's Lord Advocate and indeed a Welsh 'intervention' both being permitted!!

[St Charles Owl]

I think you are glorifying the Lord Advocates role in all this.  He has not been assigned to contribute, he has asked permission to be able to contribute, permission that may or may not be granted.  Got to love Nicola and her grandstanding, love the way she says Scotland should be treated as an equal partner in the decision and process but how exactly would that work??  The referendum was won by a total of 1.4m votes (wrong decision in my view), so even if all the Scottish votes had been given to remain, the leave campaign would still have won across the UK as a whole!!  Scotland should have a say proportionate to its size within the UK, which equates to about 10%.  That might be enough to swing the vote but its as much as equal should mean in this case.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38027230

Get in there!! Scotland's Advocate and indeed a Welsh 'intervention' both being permitted!!

Along with the Independent Workers Union of Great Britain, esteemed company indeed!!!

[hibeejim21]

Lawyers for the Scottish and Welsh governments have been allowed to take part in the supreme court case over Theresa May’s decision to bar MPs from voting on Brexit.

In an unprecedented hearing, all 11 supreme court judges will convene in early December to rule on whether the Commons must be allowed to vote on triggering the article 50 process, against the UK government’s wishes.

The supreme court confirmed on Friday that the chief law officers for the Scottish and Welsh governments would be allowed to intervene, broadening the case into a legal battle over the role and status of three parliaments in the process.






So the lord advocates role will not be 'glorified' at all. scots law has to be and will be consulted,and in many facets EU law has precedence over the UK in scots law.

[0762]

Yep Jim! This Tory govt will not wriggle out of it's accountability to parliament itself in this specific case re Brexit - 100% certainty of the high court judgement being upheld in this instance and it's really surprising that May and her cohorts didn't just read what was being explained by the High Court judges and naturally concede!