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RE: Alan Irvine Sacked (please post all reaction in this thread) - drewks - 31-12-2014
(31-12-2014, 19:33)Zinman Wrote: No I wasn't happy with Irvine but what makes anyone think it'll be different with Pulis? Do people actually remember the series of bore fests against Stoke? And as for his time at Palace, yes there were some decent games but on a different site there are some interesting facts about his brief spell -worse possession and successful pass rate than before his arrival and a higher percentage of "long passes" than in his last year's at Stoke. He was also lucky to inherit a squad that enabled Palace to break with pace........So long hoof up to big Vic it is then.
Resorting to 'Cut & Paste' now:
It's been mentioned several times about the brand of football TP got Palace out of trouble with last year, but there are people who just won't take it in - they're so stuck with the 'Stoke Pulis' that they can't see, or admit, the fact that PALACE PLAYED LOVELY FOOTBALL UNDER HIM LAST YEAR!!!!
We haven't got the players to play hooooofball, so if TP comes in do you think JP would sanction getting 4/5 new players in Jan to play this game for TP??
COME ON!!!!!
RE: Alan Irvine Sacked (please post all reaction in this thread) - Ska'dForLife-WBA - 31-12-2014
(31-12-2014, 19:33)Zinman Wrote: No I wasn't happy with Irvine but what makes anyone think it'll be different with Pulis? Do people actually remember the series of bore fests against Stoke? And as for his time at Palace, yes there were some decent games but on a different site there are some interesting facts about his brief spell -worse possession and successful pass rate than before his arrival and a higher percentage of "long passes" than in his last year's at Stoke. He was also lucky to inherit a squad that enabled Palace to break with pace........So long hoof up to big Vic it is then.
Yep, this is the concern. I think the aggrandisement of his style of football at Palace is misplaced. He tailored his style to the players available to him - and fair play, many bosses wouldn't - but the basic philosophy in most games was still to set up for a 0-0 and nick a goal on the counter if you can. Exactly what Alan Irvine tried to do and got bashed from pillar to post for. At best, Pulis is just more successful at doing it.
Now, I know the goal for the rest of this season is survival, and if Pulis can give us that then fair enough. If he can do it without turning us into a rugby team, then better still. But we are handing this man a two and a half year contract. What's the vision for next season? Does anybody really think he fell out with the Palace chairman because he wanted to sign a load of attacking players and turn Palace into a new Barcelona? Or is it more likely that he had a shopping list of overpriced gargantuan freaks, and the chairman put his foot down and refused to let him take them down that well-trodden road?
I'll back Tony fully as long as he's here, I'll give him praise where it's due as well as balanced criticism, and I really hope he can achieve wonderful things in dazzling ways, but boy, two and a half years is a very long time to repent a mistake...
(31-12-2014, 19:47)drewks Wrote: It's been mentioned several times about the brand of football TP got Palace out of trouble with last year, but there are people who just won't take it in - they're so stuck with the 'Stoke Pulis' that they can't see, or admit, the fact that PALACE PLAYED LOVELY FOOTBALL UNDER HIM LAST YEAR!!!!
I particularly remember the "lovely football" they played against us in the FA Cup at our place. As cynical and ugly a performance as you could ever hope to see. And yes, you could argue that they beat us, so Pulis gets the plaudits for doing whatever it takes to win... but then, what happened in the next round? They tried to do exactly the same against Championship Wigan, and got turned over. There are shades of grey in this argument. Tony Pulis isn't necessarily the antichrist of football, but nor is he the messiah.
I completely accept that they were a fast, expansive team at times, but from my point of view, the people loudly insisting that Palace were a wonderful side to watch last year won't see or admit that in many matches, they were simply grinding out results however they came. And yes, in the short-term, we could probably do with a bit of that, but what about next year? And the year after?
RE: Alan Irvine Sacked (please post all reaction in this thread) - BaggyBomber - 31-12-2014
I know one thing, I hated and feared TP and his Stoke team. Stoke could always out-muscle, out-run, out-think, out-play, out-kid and beat us, more or less anytime. We dissolved at the mere site of them and so did a number of other teams. Ask the Arse.
If he comes I'd love like him to make us like that. To have a powerful team instead of being the whipping boys. I dream of other supporters thinking, "Oh, God! It's the Baggies" instead of rubbing their hands in anticipation of a win for them. I want US to win and if we're feared, good. I couldn't give a monkey's as long we win. I'm tired of having sand kicked in our faces. Who knows, he might have us playing and winning as he did the Palace!
RE: Alan Irvine Sacked (please post all reaction in this thread) - tidy - 31-12-2014
(31-12-2014, 17:48)drewks Wrote: http://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2014/12/31/7472791/west-bromwich-albion-alan-irvine-tony-pulis-tim-sherwood
'Don't let the gilet fool you, Sherwood is Redknapp with the Redknappometer turned up to 11.
And so, the era of West Brom's strange managerial appointments seems to be at a close. It's unlikely we'll see another relative unknown rock up at the Hawthorns any time soon, as West Brom revert to English footballing type -- and then some. Farewell, Alan Irvine, we hardly knew ye.'
Spot on.
RE: Alan Irvine Sacked (please post all reaction in this thread) - drewks - 31-12-2014
(31-12-2014, 20:07)Ska Wrote:
(31-12-2014, 19:47)drewks Wrote: It's been mentioned several times about the brand of football TP got Palace out of trouble with last year, but there are people who just won't take it in - they're so stuck with the 'Stoke Pulis' that they can't see, or admit, the fact that PALACE PLAYED LOVELY FOOTBALL UNDER HIM LAST YEAR!!!!
I particularly remember the "lovely football" they played against us in the FA Cup at our place. As cynical and ugly a performance as you could ever hope to see. And yes, you could argue that they beat us, so Pulis gets the plaudits for doing whatever it takes to win... but then, what happened in the next round? They tried to do exactly the same against Championship Wigan, and got turned over. There are shades of grey in this argument. Tony Pulis isn't necessarily the antichrist of football, but nor is he the messiah.
I completely accept that they were a fast, expansive team at times, but from my point of view, the people loudly insisting that Palace were a wonderful side to watch last year won't see or admit that in many matches, they were simply grinding out results however they came. And yes, in the short-term, we could probably do with a bit of that, but what about next year? And the year after?
I'm not for one minute thinking he's 'the messiah' Ska'd, what I'm saying is that he took a team that had absolutely no chance of staying up and got them to finish 11th by playing lovely football. Each person's definition of this will alter and I also accept that Palace didn't become Arsenal under TP; what I AM saying is that he didn't play Stoke's brand of 'hoofball' which would've been expected, and, for him, safer. I could do with us playing Palace's brand of 'lovely football' - we've not seen much of that from us for years.
And as for grinding out results.......when necessary, yes please!
Hey - we all see things differently; from my point of view TP (the present Manager of the Year) is one hell of a coup for us - time, of course, will tell.
RE: Alan Irvine Sacked (please post all reaction in this thread) - BaggyBomber - 31-12-2014
I agree, Drewks.
RE: Alan Irvine Sacked (please post all reaction in this thread) - pipbaggie - 31-12-2014
+1 Drewks
May start to worry if we don't get a win in next 6 games(don't see that happening).
I just want someone to properly 'take charge', 'manage', 'control' call it what you like just be bloody positive and do something!
RE: Alan Irvine Sacked (please post all reaction in this thread) - BaggyBomber - 01-01-2015
Birmingham Mail.
Macari said: “A lot has always been made how Stoke and West Brom have approached the game but if you want to play ‘better’ football and lose then keep doing it.
“As far as I can see it there has been a winning style and a losing style. Perhaps they are just looking for an excuse to cover it up.
“This will be a good appointment. On day one he will set out what he expects and make his team difficult to beat.
“He won’t give a hoot about this supposed free-flowing football West Brom apparently play.
Great! The "winning style" will do fine for me!
RE: Alan Irvine Sacked (please post all reaction in this thread) - struth - 01-01-2015
Have a god new year lads. best I can offer. A new manager hopefully will give you some victories to cheer.....sometimes you just have to back down from the beautiful game and accept that to win, you have to often be less than attractive when playing against what is a loaded deck if you want to fight another day.
RE: Alan Irvine Sacked (please post all reaction in this thread) - Dingle-Dingle - 01-01-2015
Have read all post`s on all threads. I am not a football "Purist" I want west Brom to be winners. If TP can win matches in THE PREMIERSHIP then GOOD. DD
