[spireitematt]

So Preston North End have announced the prices for Preston's first away game of the season against Leeds and Preston fans can pay £39 in advance or £44 on the day. When Leeds visit Preston they will only have to pay £24.

Capitalism economics don't work in football. Fans are being treated like cash cows at majority of clubs but supporting a football club as a fan is not like using a service or buying goods where you can change providers or suppliers if you aren't happy. Football is a sport not a business. Football used to be a working class game where ticket prices were affordable but nowadays its been turned into a business where tourists and day trippers are happy to pay the inflated prices while the local fans who can't afford tickets go to Non-League or spend it watching the game in the pub.

[themaclad]

£26 for me at Leeds being over 60, it was the same price last season, many won't take up the offer of going, we've got Derby on the Tuesday they are charging us £20 which is cheaper than ours. Apparently Wednesday are charging Sunderland £49 sadly curse of the foreign owners.

[Lord Snooty]

Scandalous what Leeds and Wednesday are up to. Should be kicked out of the county for behaving in an unYorkshirelike manner.

[spireitematt]

There's a group called Twenty's Plenty where they want all football tickets across the country capped at £20 which I think is fair especially with all the money clubs will be getting from TV deals.

[St Charles Owl]

£26 for me at Leeds being over 60, it was the same price last season, many won't take up the offer of going, we've got Derby on the Tuesday they are charging us £20 which is cheaper than ours. Apparently Wednesday are charging Sunderland £49 sadly curse of the foreign owners.

The Sunderland game at Hillsborough has been set as a Category C game, so the most the away fans can be charged in 36 pounds, as a senior it would be 26 pounds I believe. There is a lot of misconception around our ticket prices because we have Cat A tickets priced at 49 pounds in the South Stand, but since we went to these categories we have yet to see a game that has been put at Cat A. I am assuming that the Sunderland fans figured that as they are sooooo big they would be classed as a Cat A game and saw the prices we would charge for that, but even if it was Cat A they would be charged less because we have to charge away fans the same as our fans on the Kop pay and the Cat A price for the Kop is 42 pounds (37 pounds for members).

Don't think this has anything to do with foreign owners though.

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There's a group called Twenty's Plenty where they want all football tickets across the country capped at £20 which I think is fair especially with all the money clubs will be getting from TV deals.

That might be fair in the Prem (or those clubs with parachute payments) with all the money they have from tv but in the EFL the biggest revenue generator is still tickets sold for games. Each club in the Championship gets 2m tv money plus 100k for each live home game, that adds up to far less than ticket sales generate.

[spireitematt]

£26 for me at Leeds being over 60, it was the same price last season, many won't take up the offer of going, we've got Derby on the Tuesday they are charging us £20 which is cheaper than ours. Apparently Wednesday are charging Sunderland £49 sadly curse of the foreign owners.

The Sunderland game at Hillsborough has been set as a Category C game, so the most the away fans can be charged in 36 pounds, as a senior it would be 26 pounds I believe.  There is a lot of misconception around our ticket prices because we have Cat A tickets priced at 49 pounds in the South Stand, but since we went to these categories we have yet to see a game that has been put at Cat A.  I am assuming that the Sunderland fans figured that as they are sooooo big they would be classed as a Cat A game and saw the prices we would charge for that, but even if it was Cat A they would be charged less because we have to charge away fans the same as our fans on the Kop pay and the Cat A price for the Kop is 42 pounds (37 pounds for members).

Don't think this has anything to do with foreign owners though.

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There's a group called Twenty's Plenty where they want all football tickets across the country capped at £20 which I think is fair especially with all the money clubs will be getting from TV deals.

That might be fair in the Prem (or those clubs with parachute payments) with all the money they have from tv but in the EFL the biggest revenue generator is still tickets sold for games.  Each club in the Championship gets 2m tv money plus 100k for each live home game, that adds up to far less than ticket sales generate.

I understand what your saying but there needs to be a cap on each league because £25-£30 to watch League 1 or League 2 is a rip off. Championship could cap at £30.

[St Charles Owl]

There's a group called Twenty's Plenty where they want all football tickets across the country capped at £20 which I think is fair especially with all the money clubs will be getting from TV deals.

That might be fair in the Prem (or those clubs with parachute payments) with all the money they have from tv but in the EFL the biggest revenue generator is still tickets sold for games.  Each club in the Championship gets 2m tv money plus 100k for each live home game, that adds up to far less than ticket sales generate.

I understand what your saying but there needs to be a cap on each league because £25-£30 to watch League 1 or League 2 is a rip off.  Championship could cap at £30.
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I get the sentiment and broadly agree, but the capitalist in me also says that market forces will ultimately decide what the price is. If its too high then people will walk away, not ideal for football but football has always needed to listen to its supporters more and sometimes its the disenfranchised ones who need to be listened to the most. Take SWFC, we have more ST holders currently than we have ever had despite also having the highest matchday prices we have ever had as well, but our owner has made it clear if you want the best prices then you will need to buy a ST. Most ST holders are paying about 19-21 pounds per game with their ST so in theory we are charging for most fans about the level you would like to see. Matchday tickets are not a good barometer of overall price because they do not include the ST holder who make up the bulk of fans in the ground anyway.

[spireitematt]

There's a group called Twenty's Plenty where they want all football tickets across the country capped at £20 which I think is fair especially with all the money clubs will be getting from TV deals.

That might be fair in the Prem (or those clubs with parachute payments) with all the money they have from tv but in the EFL the biggest revenue generator is still tickets sold for games.  Each club in the Championship gets 2m tv money plus 100k for each live home game, that adds up to far less than ticket sales generate.

I understand what your saying but there needs to be a cap on each league because £25-£30 to watch League 1 or League 2 is a rip off.  Championship could cap at £30.

I get the sentiment and broadly agree, but the capitalist in me also says that market forces will ultimately decide what the price is.  If its too high then people will walk away, not ideal for football but football has always needed to listen to its supporters more and sometimes its the disenfranchised ones who need to be listened to the most.  Take SWFC, we have more ST holders currently than we have ever had despite also having the highest matchday prices we have ever had as well, but our owner has made it clear if you want the best prices then you will need to buy a ST.  Most ST holders are paying about 19-21 pounds per game with their ST so in theory we are charging for most fans about the level you would like to see.  Matchday tickets are not a good barometer of overall price because they do not include the ST holder who make up the bulk of fans in the ground anyway.
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Football is different though. Capitalism and football doesn't work as well. It's not like being a customer of a supplier or service and then changing over because someone offers a better deal, you can't do that in football. You could go watch a different team but it wouldn't be the same as it wouldn't be your team. If teams can afford to spend millions on players and give thousands a week to players then surely they can make ticket prices cheaper to entice more people through the turnstiles.

Buying a season ticket will always be cheaper than buying Matchday tickets separately. I'm not just talking about home tickets but away tickets as well. The Premier League have a cap where no team can charge more than £30 to away fans. The problem is if you don't make football affordable to everyone then you have problems as attendances will fall and majority of people will buy Sky and watch it at home and then you will have a generation who will be out priced and will grow up thinking football is like a TV show.

[Maddix]

All this nicey nicey stuff assumes that a fan can afford a season ticket what about the fan who could only afford ten games a season ? he can probably only afford 5 now and may well have given up and gone to the 'kids for a quid' cinema on a Satdi instead.

The bubble will burst sooner rather than later because clubs are biting the mouth that feeds them and when people lose interest the attendance's and Sky subscriptions will fall. I only keep their sports for the darts and the cricket and now they've changed the way you can buy it I'll be f'ucking the EPL bit right in the bin

[spireitematt]

All this nicey nicey stuff assumes that a fan can afford a season ticket   what about the fan who could only afford ten games a season ? he can probably only afford 5 now and may well have given up and gone to the 'kids for a quid' cinema on a Satdi instead.

The bubble will burst sooner rather than later because clubs are biting the mouth that feeds them and when people lose interest the attendance's and Sky subscriptions will fall. I only keep their sports for the darts and the cricket and now they've changed the way you can buy it I'll be f'ucking the EPL bit right in the bin  

Eventually Maddix the whole thing is going to implode sooner or later and when it does it will be the fans who will pick up the pieces. Clubs will end up going to the wall as the spending on players and wages will eventually become unsustainable.