[Amelia Chaffinch]

Comments copied from the thread of the same name on New606. We can't move threads and without Bonner's agreement we wouldn't want to but we can copy them.

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I now firmly believe that Deano has reluctantly come to the conclusion that he cannot afford to fund a successful Championship club, requiring better quality players and the inevitable hike in running costs.

Deano is now in his third season in charge of a Championship club and lets be honest, to date it's been one continuous struggle for survival and this season is already is looking no different, with only 4 points on the board from the 15 contested.

It's all very well him stating that the club has to be self-sustaining, but we all know that without a bucket load of luck this philosophy will never pay off, particularly when it also involves selling off any of our future stars.

Although Deano has made many positive changes to secure the future of the club, I reckon it's time now for him to sell out to someone who is prepared to invest the extra capital needed to take us to the next level, where we become a top half of the table Championship club, as opposed to the perpetual relegation scrappers we are fast becoming.

Lets face it, if he decides to remain in charge then he need to change his ideas, otherwise we will end up back in League One in the very near future and we don't want that do we?  

We can't even attract a decent manager, never mind another rich benefactor, richer than the mega bucks millionaire we already have.



Get real, dude. <doh>

So, do we really believe there is somebody out there who's prepared to bankroll our beloved club to be a "Top half Championship club". We would still have the same volume of the same away supporters visiting. So no increased revenue there. Maybe a few more Town fans, but not many I fear. OK if he's a richer "Town Fan" than Mr Hoyle, then maybe. But can't imagine there's many of those around to be fair. Outside investors would demand financial success, not just a stable club.
Take a look at the Premier League. All City based, bar one. No small town clubs, bar one. I'm not going to hold my breath in anticipation of playing in that league in my lifetime. And if I tell the truth, it doesn't really bother me. Not sustainable for a small town club I'm afraid. Lets be carful what we wish for. Dean Hoyle is the very best this club can realistically hope for. That's as I see it anyhow.

Apart from Patrick Stewart, who else would possibly be interested?

Wonder if Mirfielder is our saviour. Come on Mr Mirf, you know you want to. (Y)

Apart from Patrick Stewart, who else would possibly be interested?

What about Reece Dinsdale, he got about 500 million from home to roost


Get real Mirf, there's nobody out there

I think you'd be surprised about how many people would want to take the club off Hoyle. I do agree with Mirf though maybe extra investment is needed as with this model we will never see the promised land of the Premier League.

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Apart from Patrick Stewart, who else would possibly be interested?

What about Reece Dinsdale, he got about 500 million from home to roost


Get real Mirf, there's nobody out there

Don't think Reece is in a position to take the club over. If you want yo ask him, he posts on Datm daily, drop him a PM.

someone wanting to take over the club is one thing, what they would do with it is another, the last big time charlie we had in charge almost got us to the "promised land" but then when we as his vanity project didnt work out he was more than willing to watch us disappear from existence for him to get his "investment back" i dont want that to ever ever ever happen again.

i would rather this club stay a lower end championship team than spend a couple of seasons in the prem then end up like Coventry or Portsmouth

Rome was not built in a day and neither will a sustainable football club. i respect the clubs choice of not break FFP. i've said it before that its a paper tiger. but i think its a paper tiger for the big clubs , once a small club break the rules the FL will throw the book at them to look like they are fdoing something

the championship has basically become a slip league much like the premiership, the big clubs with the billionaire foreign owners are basically running football at the moment, the FA either needs to grow a pair and take the game back or we actually need to see some big clubs completely implode all at once

i think the latter will happen before the former

Well said, MNt. (Y)

I would rather we got relegated again than for Deano to sell up to some wanker like Cellino or that twat at Cardiff.

(Y)

FFS how many times? Dean has already stated he'd happily sell the club to someone willing to invest big money if was for the better of the club. So unless you are that person or know that person, move on...

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someone wanting to take over the club is one thing, what they would do with it is another, the last big time charlie we had in charge almost got us to the "promised land" but then when we as his vanity project didnt work out he was more than willing to watch us disappear from existence for him to get his "investment back" i dont want that to ever ever ever happen again.

i would rather this club stay a lower end championship team than spend a couple of seasons in the prem then end up like Coventry or Portsmouth

Rome was not built in a day and neither will a sustainable football club. i respect the clubs choice of not break FFP. i've said it before that its a paper tiger. but i think its a paper tiger for the big clubs , once a small club break the rules the FL will throw the book at them to look like they are fdoing something

the championship has basically become a slip league much like the premiership, the big clubs with the billionaire foreign owners are basically running football at the moment, the FA either needs to grow a pair and take the game back or we actually need to see some big clubs completely implode all at once

i think the latter will happen before the former

Bang on my friend.

Reading some of the above responses maybe some of you will be happy to see us slip back into League One without a wimper - well I'm not.  Deano has already appointed three managers and fired them all in quick succession and is now looking for his fourth and is no doubt now struggling to come up with an attractive proposition to attract the right candidate.

All his previous recruits, Clark, Grayson & Robins all appeared to buy into his "self sustaining " vision, before each found out the hard way that it would never work, particularly when it also involved selling off our brightest stars such as Rhodes, Pilkington and more recently our Captain and last season's player of the year Clayton.

So it's no wonder we are constantly looking to avoid relegation, because no manager faced with the above scenario would have fared any better, because Hoyle's set an almost impossible task for any of them to achieve.

As far as Town being a small town club that's also a lamentable excuse for our lack of success.  Huddersfield's population is 162,949, so how does anyone explain the recent past successes of other smaller Town clubs such as Blackburn (pop 105,085), Wigan (97,000), Burnley (73,021), Ipswich (133,384) & Blackpool (142,100)?

If Hoyle changed his vision for the club and made more money available to recruit better quality players and also stopped selling off our best talent to the highest bidders, more success would undoubtedly be forthcoming - where would we be right now with Rhodes, Pilkington & Clayton still in our ranks - I'll tell you where, in the top half of the table with a play-off place a distinct possibility.  This success would also attract far bigger gates  and resulting increased revenues and we might even have got back to the days when 18000- 20000 turned up on a regular basis to support a winning team, instead of the perennial relegation battlers we now have to suffer.

So Hoyle now needs to take a long look at himself and his vision for the club, otherwise I can't see any decent manager being attracted to the club, particularly when they will now fully understand exactly why all his previous three managers were jettisoned, for failing to achieve what had become an impossible task.  

He also needs to recognise that you can't run a football club like any modern business, because the same rules simply don't apply.  Ask yourself a simple question - how many clubs currently in the Premiership and top half of the Championship are currently debt free - Hardly any and we are talking serious sums of money, way above what Town are losing.

As the saying goes you have to speculate to accumulate, so come on Hoyley show a bit more daring & bottle and dig further into your deep pockets, to fund a more positive vision for the club, otherwise I'm afraid it's more of the same medicine for the loyal 11,000/13,000 success starved diehards to endure, for yet another season.

Mirf. We are a small time club. We will always attract small time crowds. We will never attract big name managers or players.
When we do have them, like the ones you mentioned and going back to the likes of Worthington and Cherry, they want to leave because we are a small club with over demanding fans.
I agree that those other clubs are no bigger than us but they got there through doing it the right way. Hopefully one day, we will do it as well. In the meantime, support the club, the chairman, the players and the new manager, whether he be a big name or a no mark from Forest Green.

Snooty,

Problem is that far too many fans such a you, too easily settle for Mediocrity, just because we are Huddersfield Town, a perceived small time/Town club. <doh>

If you want a prime example of how to run a football club with a clear vision, look no further than Dave Whelan at Wigan Athletic, who bought the club in 1995 when they were going nowhere in the third Division, but he made a promise that he would get them into the Premiership, which he duly achieved in 2005 and later in 2012 saw them lift the FA Cup.  He also built them a brand new stadium in 1999.

He also managed to attract fairly big time managers such as Roberto Martinez, Owen Coyle, Steve Bruce, Paul Jewell & current Manager Uve Rosler and such players as Antonio Valencia, Jimmy Bullard, Emile Heskey, Marcus Bent, Wilson Palacios, Titus Bramble, Paul Schamer, Charles N'Zogbia, Leyton Baines and a host of others.

So if Dave Whelan, with a net worth of £160 million in 2012 can do it, why can't Dean Hoyle follow suit? - after all his net worth must now be around double that of Whelan's. :whistling:

So get positive man and show a bit more ambition for a change.

I'm right in the middle really on this debate!

I see no reason why we cannot be a top Championship club/lower Premier league with just a bit more ambition. However,  I understand the vision of the club and certainly don't want another Rubery era.

Yes, we are all demanding but what club's fans aren't? Forget the size of our town,  that is a non argument in my opinion. We have a great chance to be successful and we could attract crowds close to 20000 per week with a winning team. That costs a bit of money and more than ever we need Dean to spend every dime he can within FFP right now. He also needs to foot any surplus loss and just roll with it. Whilst people will say "why should he?" He is the only person who can do this on the planet right now and he owes it to himself as a fan of the club. No regrets????

I already know that he will not jeopardise the future of the club so I'm glad the club is in his hands.

Wigan. None of those names are big names. They've spent wisely, recruited well and done it the right way. Paul Jewell and Roberto Martinez were lower league managers. Bruce had just been sacked by us.
We need to follow their lead.

Mirf all those clubs did it in a time where you could spend whatever you wanted whenever you wanted , those times have changed and look at what has happened to some of those clubs in the meantime

Blackburn and Ipswich are no better off than we are right now

Blackpool are an effing mess

b y your own words it took Dave Whelan TEN YEARS to get wigan into the Premier League

Dean Hoyle has been in charge for just over 4 years. if Dave Whelan is your bench mark you should be giving Hoyle another 5 plus years surely, it also took him 6 seasons to get them out of division 1 into the championship . only took Dean 3

as for FIRING 3 managers in quick succession, Clark was manager for 3 years , and Robins Quit, so hes been involved in the firing of 3 managers in 5 years ( Ternant, Clark, Grayson)

Blackburn have had that many since 2012

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"we need Dean to spend every dime he can within FFP right now. He also needs to foot any surplus loss and just roll with it. Whilst people will say "why should he?" He is the only person who can do this on the planet right now and he owes it to himself as a fan of the club. No regrets????"


Hasnt he done this every year hes been owner, the club has never made a profit and he has always covered and operating loss. he backed Clark to the tune of 44 players, and both Grayson and Robins were backed with new players, admittedly our transfer policy has changed and the club is now being more selective with who they bring in but thats just business

not to mention the infrastructure improvements made at the club, Canalside will serve the club well for decades. we also have our shares back in the stadium and they didnt come back to us at the price Davy bought them for thats for sure

Spot on MNt, well thought out and said (Y)

Wasn't the point of Wigan in the Premier League that they bought cheap players (generally from South America) and then sold them on for a profit?

That's a funny old model that. Who would do that?

I agree with Mirf here, the club do need to show more ambition, although there is a fine line between success and failure granted but we aren't in League One anymore. No one is even asking Hoyle to sell the club just attract more investment to the club, although I guess that would be kind of difficult as anybody willing to put big money would want full controlling share of the club I assume. I do think the club have a 'small club' mentality.

i think the club are showing some ambition , they are just having a little trouble putting all the pieces together

any club that sign the likes of Wells, Coady , Butterfield and Majewski cant be described as having no ambition not to mention the likes of Lolley and Bunn who are making an impact on the first team

every first team signing they have made this season has improved the team, Coady and Butterfield might be the best central midfield paring we've had in a long time and i am looking forward to smith and peltier being fit so Robinson can move to left back

yes we are missing a couple of very important pieces and that is a major concern and i'm sure the club know what those pieces are , but i'd rather wait for the one right piece than buy 3 wrong pieces

Fair comment MNT, but the fact remains that we are now just into our third season in the Championship and we are still scratting around near the bottom of the league.

Surely the powers that be should know by now what it takes to build a team, which is capable of holding it's own in the top half of the league.

In the two previous campaigns we ended up fighting relegation almost to the end and this season is looking little different, with most of the Bookies having us down as relegation favourites along with Brum & Blackpool.

OK, you might say there is still a long way to go and things will improve once we get a settled team, free of injuries and also sign a new central defender, but don't expect the other strugglers to sit back do nothing to improve their lot also.

Like you I'm an optimist and believe we will turn things around again this year, but after pushing our luck in the last couple of seasons we are bound to come unstuck somewhere along the line and lets hope it's not this season, because that would be an absolute disaster for all concerned.

In Dean Hoyle I Trust.  <doh>

I admire your ethos, but the examples you give are not great, Mirf. None of them are in the Premier league at present, except Burnley, and we’ll be playing them next year with any luck.

Wigan did very well, but let’s not kid ourselves that Whelan and Hoyle are kindred spirits – Whelan has spent when he had to, and spent big.

IF, and it is a big, huge, nevergoingtohappen, if, Hoyle were to pump big money into the club we would contravene FFP unless we got promoted that very season. We’d need to spend, in my opinion, about £20m in transfer fees, signing on fees and wages to get a team capable of doing it at the first time of asking. Then, we’d have to spend all of the money we’re likely to earn in one EPL season to have a hope of staying up, and that hope would be so thin it’d make Keira Knightley look like Vanessa Feltz’s pudgy sister. and that’s assuming we’re able to attract EPL quality players. And let’s face it, we’d have our pants down every week in the prem, even  if we spent £20m to get there and £60m when we got there.

So, our lot is this – slugging it out in the championship, envious of the likes of Burnley and Stoke, glad we’re not Blackpool and being really glad we’re not Leeds.

I’d rather be owned by a passionate fan who’s pragmatic with his cash, than Oyston or that laughable clown down the road.

While I agree with a lot of what you say (and not just regarding this), Grim, I'm not entirely on board with the figures you quote. Wigan got their edge by doing good business in a previously untapped area, meaning they were buying players who were worth more than their South American clubs charged.

Town are getting together a decent battery of youngsters, which will save money in the long run, but if they were to start scouting a little further afield (go to Greece, Bulgaria, Serbia, for example) they might find quality players at knockdown prices - and just like with the younger ones, if a couple make it, the better ones will follow. There are edges out there, and I'm not saying I know them all, but the club aren't exploiting everything they could.

Tend to agree, but clearly we're looking at markets that have historically proven cost effective and low risk for other clubs - we've been looking at our Oirish cousins, looking to get young talent from Scotland and also Scandinavia -  Billing and Tronstadt look promising, and we had Vegard Fiske tall Norwegian CB) on trial yesterday it appears.

so I think we're trying to look for bargains. south America is tricky because of third party ownership and work permits, and I suppose we're looking for the next Roy or Robbie Keane in Ireland, Solsjkjaer or Agger in Scandinavia, or [insert name of succesful home-grown-not-imported Scot here] from north of the border.

Whilst I note all the valid points made above, the fact remains that we are currently doing worse this season than in the previous two:

2012 - 2013: Finished 19th with 58 points
2013 - 2014: Finished 17th with 53 Points
2014 - 2015: Currently 21st with 4 points, which is less than we had in any of the above seasons after the first 5 games.

So whatever strategy/vision Hoyle's following, it's plainly not working, unless he's realised that Town can be nothing more than a League One side at best.  As far as I can see, if he continues selling off our better players to the highest bidder, than we'll probably end up there quicker than he thinks.

"better players".

so far the only one we've sold, this year, we are likely to miss is Clayton.

We've routinely replaced like for like whenever we've sold a big name which is what all clubs do when a sale leaves a gap. United sold Ronaldo and bought to repalce him - didn't work in that they were naturally a worse team without him. Bale left Spurs, they went player mad and it didn;t work. Suarez left Liverpool, and they may argue that Balotelli and c.£60m in the bank is great business. So few teams are above it - in fact I'd say that in reality right now there are maybe 5 teams on the planet who may be able to say "never going to sell no matter what" - Real, Barca, PSG, Chelsea and Man City

Yes, in our case there are varying degrees of success, but arguably Rhodes out for £8m, Vaughan and Wells in for less than £2m is a great bit of business. Long term, Pilks out and Ward in could, probably should, have been a great deal. When Pelts went, we had Hunt coming through, when he went, we've had Woods and then Smith, now Pelts again....

Personally I believe a midfield 3 of Coady, Majewski and Butterfield, plus around £1m profit, is fantastic business.

not sure if this thread was entirely serious, but I suppose what I'm saying is the grass is rarely greener, and in the case of some of our closest (geographically and in terms of the league table) competitiors they don't even have a lawn.

Grim,

You have to ask yourself where we would be right now had we had Rhodes (127 goals in 228 games for Town & Blackburn), Pilkington and Clayton in our team?

I don't believe we would have been struggling with 4 points from 5 games, do you?.  I also don't believe we would have had any relegation worries last season and the previous one either.

so, it's all very well selling of your star players, but the consequences are exactly what we have seen, particularly since Rhodes left and lets be honest here, the fans are been taken for mugs when the club expects them to keep turning up when they are being robbed of watching our better players.

Ok, so we have just signed a decent central defender, but we should also be hanging on to our match winners and who knows, we might then be capable of doing a Blackpool or Burnley.

As far as I'm concerned the current policy will lead us no where, except to a continuous battle for survival in this league.

Mirf
the question you should also ask is what state the club would be in when those players who wanted moves away from the club regardless of what contract they were offered. ,moved on a free after their contracts expire.

as a side note i'd take Vaughan and Wells of Rhodes any day ( Blackburn hardly pulling up trees)
and i'd take Coady and Buterfield over Clayton ( best of a underperforming bunch last year , won hearts and minds with a gimmick)

Pilkington i'd have back i must admit

Rhodes didn't want to be here anymore Mirf. How many goals per season does your average thoroughly peed off player score?

Rhodes didn't want to be here anymore Mirf.

Pilkington and Clayton too for that matter.

They only didn't want to be here for one simple reason only.

Because all the other clubs offered them bigger salaries than Town were prepared to pay. (Y)

And you'd stay out of shear loyalty if someone offered you 4x what Town were paying you? Sure, just like the rest of us would.
Supporting your local or favourite club is your choice. Supporting your family, spending habits and lest you forget, local taxman is not quite the same thing.

Theo,

Would I hell as have stayed, but you've missed my point, because if Town had matched their offers, they would have also probably stayed.

It's OK keeping a tight reign on salaries, as long as you accept that any other club who comes after your better players are always going to be successful.

So every time we unearth of develop a quality players you can expect more of the same and we will be forever consigned to playing catch up.

Except that, because you're getting more money to invest in those players you're developing you're able to either recruit better players (Conor Coady?) or develop them to a higher level (seemingly the U18 team from last season) so that when they perform to their potential they are worth even more - Town get the benefit for a while, but sell them on at that higher value to get more money to reinvest.

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Yes, under that system you probably won't get any career Town players (not until they reach a plateau) but continued improvement is to the club's benefit.

Marco hit the nail on the head. Add to his point the fact that we simply can't compete with clubs who have much more income than we do from either higher attendances, parachute payments, or foreign owners, and it's massively naive to expect us to match the offers these players are receiving elsewhere. Rhodes for example jumped from just under £10k with us to £30k with Blackburn, and they increased that to £40k this year when he signed his new deal. We're Huddersfield Town, in what world can we afford to 'compete' by matching those numbers!?

The funny thing is, most fans moaning and saying "I'm not renewing my season ticket if we don't spend any money" don't see the irony in the fact that we'd have more money to spend if they actually bothered to turn up to matches.

Cas,

Middlesbrough don't have a foreign owner and don't get any benefits from such things as parachute payments and their average home attendances last season was only 10% (15748 against 14213) above Town's, plus they have a owner in Steve Gibson who is worth around £165 Million, which is considerably less than Hoyle's reputed wealth.

However, when Gibson came hunting down Town's Captain and current Player of the year, Adam Clayton, are you seriously saying that we had no option but to sell him? <doh>

If Steve Gibson sees the sense in buying such players, who he obviously believes will increase their chances of returning to the Premiership and landing a £100 million pot of gold, why can't Hoyle see likewise? :O

A very old but and trusted saying applies here "you have to speculate to accumulate" so why doesn't Hoyle follow the same path and who knows, the world could be our oyster. (Y)

Middlesbrough lost £14 million last season. They were not promoted to the Premier League. One can assume this season they will lose more. When does the pot of gold become a crock of shit? That level of loss is unsustainable.

Marco,

Boro's loss probably only equates to the amount of interest Gibson has made on his various investments, so why not gamble further to reach the promised land? :whistling:

Or are you saying that Town have gone as far as they are capable of doing and that we shouldn't harbour any ideas of doing a Blackpool or Burnley, particularly when you see the size of the financial carrot on offer?

Theo,

Would I hell as have stayed, but you've missed my point, because if Town had matched their offers, they would have also probably stayed.

As said by others above because we can't afford (with our income and Olive 'Oyles lad's budgeted annual loss) to pay players £1.5 - £2 million a year. FFs wake up and smell something Mirf, even if it isn't the coffee. Well OK we can afford it - if we have a squad of about 15 pro players. Then you'd be moaning we've no depth to our squad to cover injuries and not enough subs on the bench, but hey ho if you want to spend all our brass on a handful of players and fill the rest of the squad with part timers then go ahead.

Further more, even if we'd matched Blackburn's wages offer to Rhodes I reckon he would still have left. Like I said, he didn't want to be here. He was allowed to leave when 'Oyle was happy with what we were getting and that he was also substantially bettering himself (if only financially at this stage). Note he didn't push too hard if at all to make the move to Hull last month? Surely better wages again and the chance to play in the Prem and Europe (at the time of the initial offers) this season? He's happy in Lancashire where he can pop round to his mum's for his tea if he wants to. I don't see him moving very far, very soon.

Marco,

Boro's loss probably only equates to the amount of interest Gibson has made on his various investments, so why not gamble further to reach the promised land? :whistling:

Or are you saying that Town have gone as far as they are capable of doing and that we shouldn't harbour any ideas of doing a Blackpool or Burnley, particularly when you see the size of the financial carrot on offer?

I've highlighted the word I don't like there. There's how many teams trying to do the same thing this time - so you throw another £25m to the £14m - that's £30m. You fail this time, and its another £25m at least... the pot of gold as reward is diminishing all the time.

Theo,

Looks like you've already settled for mediocrity and life of continual toil and struggle, constantly trying to avoid relegation back to League One.

Well if that's what rocks your boat so be it, but some fans are a bit more ambitious than you and would like Town to keep their better players and give promotion a real go.

If the likes of Burnley, Blackpool & Wigan can do it, why not Town?

I think the way Town are working is more akin to Swansea.

Who did Burnley pay £2 million in wages last season?

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And Burnley sold their best player/highest scorer too (maybe more than once). If you think that means I'm happy with an average team you carry on. This average team is average because of under achieving managers not getting players in their best positions and dreaming up formations and tactics that work at best about once or twice a month. As a result the players haven't put a shift in as often as they should.

Theo,

If lack of success is all to do with under achieving Managers etc. then there must be an hell of a lot of them operating in The Premiership, because there's only 3 or 4 teams in with a realistic chance of winning the Title.

Football these days is all about money and nowt else, because usually the clubs who spend more, such as Chelsea, Man City and Man Utd etc, are the one's who have had the most success.

I'm not asking Hoyle to break the bank but only to release the financial shackles somewhat, so we can retain our better players and diminish our chances of being perennial relegation scrappers.

On a different note, wasn't the genuine Luddite's also frightened of progress?.

The original luddites were not afraid of progress, they were skilled workers who protested the introduction of new machinery that would eventually cost them their livelyhoods

MNT,

In other words, they were frightened of progress.

Or are you also one of these people who believe we should ban cars and go back to horse and carts, to protect the jobs of Coachmen and Blacksmith's etc. :whistling:

I'd rather have a meal cooked by a chef than microwaved; there's a difference between production and craft.

Marco,

So do I take it that you'd prefer to go to work in a horse and carriage, as opposed to a motor car? :whistling:

Anyhow what's wrong with a microwave? - I make my porridge in one every morning and it beats using a pan anytime, plus I don't have the problem of washing the pan afterwards, or having to wait more than 2 minutes - 20 seconds for my porridge to be ready.

It's all about evolution and progress. (Y)

No, Mirf, I take the train and always have. I pity the car people, with their traffic jams.

If you use a microwave, you lose any nuance and subtlety of flavour; it produces 'food'. If we stray away from your porridge example - think of the difference between a microwave lasagne and one that is cooked from scratch with fresh ingredients. Would you honestly take the quick and convenient option over taking the longer time?

I've no problem with evolution, or progress, but some things are worth taking time and effort over.

what would you rather have , something crafted over time , with patience, care , skill and love

or something bashed out on a machine with no concern over the standard.

i agree with marco , somethings are worth taking time over

The latest CNC machines can produce very high quality parts to very close tolerances, at output rates which the old engineers could never match, whilst the costs would also be prohibitive.

So you can stuff something crafted over time with patience, care, skill and love, because no bugger could ever afford them.

and who has to design those parts

You've got to take time and do the job properly, instead of diving at it in a hurry and try to take shortcuts. But then I'm a BOF and I would say that.

MNT,

CADCAM. (Y)

Ritchie,

I agree - but only as far as sex is concerned. (Y)

Mirf, I've seen the day, but now it's night. :whistling:

I now firmly believe that Deano has reluctantly come to the conclusion that he cannot afford to fund a successful Championship club, requiring better quality players and the inevitable hike in running costs.

Deano is now in his third season in charge of a Championship club and lets be honest, to date it's been one continuous struggle for survival and this season is already is looking no different, with only 4 points on the board from the 15 contested.

It's all very well him stating that the club has to be self-sustaining, but we all know that without a bucket load of luck this philosophy will never pay off, particularly when it also involves selling off any of our future stars.

Although Deano has made many positive changes to secure the future of the club, I reckon it's time now for him to sell out to someone who is prepared to invest the extra capital needed to take us to the next level, where we become a top half of the table Championship club, as opposed to the perpetual relegation scrappers we are fast becoming.

Lets face it, if he decides to remain in charge then he need to change his ideas, otherwise we will end up back in League One in the very near future and we don't want that do we?  

1) I've thought for over 12months that Dean has come to the conclusion that Championship football was more costly to run than he ever imagined.

2) last season was far from a struggle until the board and the management thought safety was in the bag, only then did we take our eyes off the playing field and started counting where we could save a penny or two which lead to our downturn in the season. They made a mistake loaning players out at the wrong time.

3) agreed, this pathways is a load of old bollocks. The very best we can hope for going down this route is probably being a yo yo team between the top of league 1 and relegation candidates in the championship. Add to the fact that as yet our academy hasn't proved it can consistently churn out Championship standard players

4) long gone are the days of you buy a SC and when we get to the Prem your SC will be £100

great mirf

who runs the cad/cam

A round of applause for Mirf for provoking such an interesting debate.  (Y)

Good points made on all sides.  I'm still annoyed by Deano's "back the new manager or I'm walking away" comments, but reading this thread has actually convinced me that he is basically going about things the right way.  The most telling point, for me, is that there are more than three clubs in the Championship throwing money at their teams and gambling on getting promoted.  Yet, whatever happens, only three will succeed.  What will happen to the others?

In terms of how badly we're doing this season compared to our starts to the previous two seasons in the Championship - very true, but for both the last two seasons, we've started off well and then tailed off alarmingly in the second half of the season.  Personally, I'd rather start poorly and pick up momentum as the season goes on, if it has to be one way round or the other.  In fact, rather like Charlton did under Chris Powell two seasons ago.  We're only 5 (league) games in, we've had a lot of injuries already and all the managerial upsets.  We've also had a couple of the worst referees I've seen in a long time, who have cost us at least three points and possibly more.  AFAIK, it's "traditional" to look at where we are only after 10 games, so let's wait until the end of the month and reassess then.  Boro, Wigan, dirty Leeds, Miwaw and Wolves - should give us a good indication of how things are going.

Personally I've gone back to cooking my porridge in a pan.  I'm fed up of it boiling over in the microwave and making a right mess which takes ages to clean up.  A lovely non-stick Le Creuset pan keeps it all contained and is as good as new after a quick wipe-over.  It may take fractionally longer to cook but I even think it tastes better as it's easier to get it exactly the right consistency.

Mitzi,

You can't beat a microwave for cooking your porridge on.  I'm on my second "Sharp" Microwave (first one lasted over 25 years) and I set it on full power with a time of 2 mins - 20 secs and I guarantee it will never boil over.

Plus no mucky pans to wesh up, or waiting ages for it to cook.

As for Town, I reckon Chris Powell has as much chance as any other contender of doing a good job for us, plus I genuinely believe he's a real nice bloke (just like Wakey) and I reckon we'll now start to climb the league, starting on Saturday with a win over Claytonised Boro. (Y)

[Marco4]

I'm glad to see this thread across; I might disagree with Mirf on a few of the points in it, but constructive discussion (people putting actual points across to one another, and replying!) is exactly what should happen.

I quite like the fact that, however people have got there, everyone seems optimistic for Saturday's game, which is a harbinger of defeat if ever there was one.

[Citizen Jeebers]

Mirf, nice blokes don't win football games by being nice, we need a bastard in charge because Bobbins had lost the team, they need the hairdryer at half time

[MNTerrier]

Powell was specifically asked at the Q&A if h could give the "hairdryer Treatment" i seem to remember his reply was " Oh yes"

Management isnt always about "laying down the law" you have to know when to put your arm around someone and when to kick them in the arse , thats what we've need a leader not a dictator , there is a huge difference

[Citizen Jeebers]

Bobins was neither MNT, Judgement is out on Cosy at the moment, or until we spank 'Boro

[Lord Snooty]

Cosy

[sommereader]

Aha this is where you are all hiding................................  

Nice to see Mirf returns to stir up comment, it did need some stirring....  

Not sure why he thinks the club has some sort of right to burn through the chairman's money but without Mr H's continued support we could quickly go back to the dark days post Ruberry and Uncle Ken.  It might not be premier league but I will take it, and I have faith in the new manager (he was my second choice after his sister..... ) and the players we have, to improve our position in the league.

It is, as they say, a long season and a long time till May, and the new manager (Cozy indeed... ) has not even had a game, lets give them all some time, after all the fans of Blackpool have yet to see a single point.  

[Mirf]

Well that's 6 matches gone and only 4 points secured from the 18 contested, plus we've now conceded more goals (15) than any other team in the championship.  

As for Vaughan, I just hope that Chris Powell has already sussed out that he has a lame duck on his hands and gets shut pronto, although we could be stuck with him until July 2016 when his (lucrative?) contract runs out.    I now make it that he's made around 56 starts from the last 98 league games and how many of these has he failed to finish?  

A few years back he was worth £2.5 million before he landed at Town for £1 million, although now I reckon we'd be lucky to get £350K for him.  So Deano, stop wasting your money on crocks and also ensure Christopher gives poor Nahki some support up front and we might then see the best of your other main investment and finally some progress up the league.  

[Citizen Jeebers]

Yes Mirf it xxxx is time for a change, Powell out

[Mirf]

Well that's 11 home games now without a single win and only 4 points collected out of the 33 contested and worse still, we've only scored 7 goals whilst conceding 21.  So, no wonder I'm calling for a change in the way the club is being run, because without it we are heading one way only this season - back to League One.

So Deano, get thi hands into thi deep pockets and sign a few quality forwards, otherwise it's good night Vienna.