[Devongone]

Well that demonstrates our ambition. We don't play him in order to sell him.

What happens when he gets injured during the loan period?

Same as it ever was. Take it away David Byrne.

[Dancingwilldoit]

If a player doesn't want to play for his club then there's not much anyone can do about it. He was Birmingham bound with a nice juicy pay increase on his way. Birmingham tried to pull a fast one saying he failed his medical and they tried to renegotiate the transfer. We said get stuffed and he threw his toys out of the pram as he watched his fortune disappearing into the sunset.

Not sure who's to blame but it ended his career with us.

More like Road to Nowhere.

[spireitematt]

He's gone on loan Dev to Peterborough and they have an obligation to sign him in the summer as he's signed a 2 and a half year deal. So he's a Peterborough player not a Chesterfield one.

Peterborough will have probably given us a nominal fee for the loan period and then pay the fee up in the summer.

Peterborough have a good track record of buying non-league gems and then selling them on for a few million to higher Championship clubs or even Premier League clubs. So you would expect we have a sell on fee.

[Devongone]

Yes Matt and Peterborough also have a record of also buying non-league players who become complete failures and return. One played for Barnet against us last week. If Kabongo is their player how can we be loaning him out? We can't loan Paul Mullin out from Wrexham can we? The Posh have got a history of wide-boy deals. They are taking a punt they hope will pay off and they'll have last season's Tshimanga. They are the market-traders of the EFL. Check the label.

Of course there is something you can do when an important player doesn't want to play - you can sign another player to take his place. We've finally signed a winger with a modest record of goals. We have a centre forward who is scoring more than we could expect and it may well not continue and a potential strike partner who has rather lost the knack .... and that's your lot. Does that sound like going up? And it has taken us five months of the season and inaction to get ourselves there. It certainly is a Road to Nowhere and it's unadopted and unknown.

The other thing you can do when a player feels unloved and thwarted is give him a bit of love. Provide an incentive. get him fired up to show his true self. If you feed bitterness it only grows. Five months to heal a rift and we can't do it. When you are happy with being third-rate you don't find solutions.

[spireitematt]

Yes Matt and Peterborough also have a record of also buying non-league players who become complete failures and return. One played for Barnet against us last week. If Kabongo is their player how can we be loaning him out? We can't loan Paul Mullin out from Wrexham can we? The Posh have got a history of wide-boy deals. They are taking a punt they hope will pay off and they'll have last season's Tshimanga. They are the market-traders of the EFL. Check the label.

It's a way of signing a player on transfer deadline day quickly or if a team doesn't have the money upfront right away. So they will get that player on loan and then have an obligation to sign the player in the summer transfer window. There was 1-2 transfers like that this transfer window. We have loaned out Tshimanga to Peterborough with Peterborough having an obligation to sign him in the summer, so he's no longer a Chesterfield player because we can't recall him like we could where a player would just go on loan.

To answer your Paul Mullin question. Yes if we tried to get him on loan and Wrexham agreed. There is nothing to stop us signing him now outright if we made a bid and Wrexham accepted it because in Non-League there is no transfer window but a cut off point of signing players in March.

We need to sign a striker to replace Tshimanga otherwise it will be like a repeat of when we let Eoin Doyle went to Cardiff back in 2015 and we played up front with Clucas till the end of the season.

[Devongone]

How many weeks of window did they have to do the deal? It was a last-minute job because that is exactly what they, the Posh, wanted. Our alternative to the deal - four more months of the play-him or cotton-wool him farce. The Posh were playing us as they always do to weaker clubs.

Interestingly Brighton's manager De Zerbi has pleaded with their fans to show some love to Caicedo, who has been denied a move away from the club. Isn't that what I suggested as the way we should have gone with Tshimanga? As it was both parties decided to make each other miserable for months! Fatuous and childish.

As to who a player belongs to .......... who is he insured by against career-threatening injury? And before you leap into any answers remember how long it took Cardiff City to admit that the player at the bottom of the sea with his family grieving had become theirs and they should pay the transfer fee - only years. If Tshimanga turns out to be useless, or worse still gets seriously injured, you think the Posh won't kick and squeal and probe every loophole to get out of the deal?

So now, with the window closed for the EFL we need a striker. You're right Matt, it's Clucas all over again. Quigley gets injured. We're down to Asante. We can get a non-leaguer, but we always could if we weren't going to play Kabongo. Same as it ever was. And that's my objection. This has been coming down the line with Tshimanga since the beginning of the season. You didn't need to be Cassandra to see it. My feeling is that there is one thing we supporters hope is happening, and there is a whole realm of what is really going on.

And do I believe the Posh hadn't the money available for Tshimanga's release clause - what was it £250K? Of course they could have bought him there and then. The deal was the deal they wanted and the thing to ask yourself is why.

And yesterday Dancing's mate, Nathan Ashmore, demonstrated that our season is effectively over again in early February. 15 shots and no goals. We even underlined our ambitions in the scoring department by leaving probably our best hope of a goal, full back King, on the bench for 86 minutes. The Posh got the cheap deal they wanted and we've guaranteed ourselves another season at this level - not a conscious aim, just an inevitable denouement.

[spireitematt]

Connor Wickham doesn't have a club since he left Forest Green Rovers. Did he work with Cook at Ipswich?

[Devongone]

But does a duplicate Quigley fit the bill and is our treatment room ready for this?