[Dancingwilldoit]

Matt the country with the most growth in the last 2 years is not the UK it was Ireland. Their currency is the euro so how does that fit your argument. The whole of Europe including us have suffered austerity because everybody set their stall out for sustained growth in China - guess what, it didn't happen.

At least the EU countries will get a bail out. What will we get to help us pay the £43 billion debt we currently fund by borrowing from the international markets. That's only the interest by the way. The total debt is more than £1.5 trillion.
Our credit rating has dropped, borrowing will be more expensive so where does that extra unaccounted for money come from? The answer will be less public spending. That knocks on to everybody and will mean more taxes, more austerity more unrest.

We can all argue until we are blue in the face but I run my own business and am talking to other business people daily and they are all saying the same thing - cancelled orders, delivery requirements put back, projects shelved etc etc. It might not be the end of the world for you but it will be for everybody else if we end up with an extra 1 million unemployed.

So what exactly has the out vote achieved apart from making Blue and Dev happy. I don't understand why you say you have now changed your mind. The truth will never come out of a politicians mouth so you cant blame them for the smoke and mirrors. They lie - fact, but its up to us to find a way through all the crap they spout and come to a rational decision. Unfortunately some people believed what they were told which is why we ended up with Brexit. Most people I have spoken to who voted out now seem to regret that decision but we cant turn the clock back and the rest of us have to live with the consequences.

[Devongone]

The vote hasn't achieved anything positive YET because we haven't left.

Dancing have you ever considered people who voted LEAVE now say they regret it because they are talking to you. They KNOW that is what you want to hear. (That's one of the reasons polls tend not to work!)

Here's a small economic exercise ....... list all the countries in the world that don't operate on a debt. It won't take long. In fact no time at all .........

I notice you are keeping enormously quiet over your Boris prediction .......... And Nigel put on his little show in Brussels because no one wants him over here...........

If we are talking personal experience - I lost my job thanks to EU Objective 1 funding helping Cornwall to steal jobs from Devon.

The EU used our money to fund both themselves and to spend on us in ways they, rather than we, approved. I'm wondering how that is good.

Every family in the UK will be £4,300 worse off if we leave the EU - Remain Campaign George Osborne (A LIAR!) And now he's the mover behind the scenes in Gove stabbing Boris. The whole campaign was a tissue of lies. Both sides made it that way, the media wanted it and loved it that way ......... and when someone tries to explain a point of view rationally and quietly on Newsnight he's shouted down by a crazed interviewer. People surely didn't know what they were voting for BUT THEY NEVER DO. What's democratic about what's going on in our two political parties? And they're supposed to be guarding democracy itself. No wonder you think the EU result was obllocks. It was, so was the campaign, so will be the aftermath.

Some businesses will struggle post-referendum (and as a friend I hope yours is fine), but if they freeze like a rabbit in the headlights they are waiting to be knocked down. The Tories promised the Referendum to win themselves an election. The people let them win. The Tories carried out their promise. Everyone had over a year to plan (OUT AND IN). All those people who let the Tories win and all those who didn't vote to keep them out contributed to the current situation. LOTS OF THE MOANING BUSINESSMEN VOTED TORY! Like Cameron himself we all have to be careful what we wish for.

[spireitematt]

Matt the country with the most growth in the last 2 years is not the UK it was Ireland. Their currency is the euro so how does that fit your argument. The whole of Europe including us have suffered austerity because everybody set their stall out for sustained growth in China - guess what, it didn't happen.

At least the EU countries will get a bail out. What will we get to help us pay the £43 billion debt we currently fund by borrowing from the international markets. That's only the interest by the way. The total debt is more than £1.5 trillion.
Our credit rating has dropped, borrowing will be more expensive so where does that extra unaccounted for money come from? The answer will be less public spending. That knocks on to everybody and will mean more taxes, more austerity more unrest.

We can all argue until we are blue in the face but I run my own business and am talking to other business people daily and they are all saying the same thing - cancelled orders, delivery requirements put back, projects shelved etc etc. It might not be the end of the world for you but it will be for everybody else if we end up with an extra 1 million unemployed.

So what exactly has the out vote achieved apart from making Blue and Dev happy. I don't understand why you say you have now changed your mind. The truth will never come out of a politicians mouth so you cant blame them for the smoke and mirrors. They lie - fact, but its up to us to find a way through all the crap they spout and come to a rational decision. Unfortunately some people believed what they were told which is why we ended up with Brexit. Most people I have spoken to who voted out now seem to regret that decision but we cant turn the clock back and the rest of us have to live with the consequences.

This is why I've changed my mind. Only yesterday they were talking about an EU army.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...omies.html

https://www.rt.com/news/348615-france-ge...eu-reform/

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/6848...e-Brussels

The last 4 years for myself and my age group have not been great and people I've been speaking to all said we can't see a future for ourselves unless something changes. The only people who want to stay in the EU are students, businesses and big banks. I can understand why you want to stay and why many other businesses want to stay and I wish you well and hope you survive and manage to get through this. But nothing is set in stone this is just an advisory referendum its not legally binding so MPs can vote this down if they want to if they feel it will put the country in economic turmoil. The longer article 50 isn't triggered the more unlikely it looks like we won't be leaving and I honestly can't see the MPs putting it through. The Lib Dems, majority of Labour and Tories want to stay.

I would rather have a Europe where its based solely on trade and not one on laws, rules and regulations.

[hibeejim21]

When panama Dave lied (again) about pushing the button on article 50 boris's fate was sealed. He didn't want brexit and I actually am beginning to doubt it will happen.

[St Charles Owl]

We can all argue until we are blue in the face but I run my own business and am talking to other business people daily and they are all saying the same thing - cancelled orders, delivery requirements put back, projects shelved etc etc. It might not be the end of the world for you but it will be for everybody else if we end up with an extra 1 million unemployed.

Dancing, I sympathise with your situation but I am saddened to hear that orders are being cancelled because of the Brexit vote!! This just seems an excuse we see put out there for cancelled orders. We will be in the EU for at least 2 years no matter what happens, so why on earth any company would cancel an order now is baffling to me.

I was running the US operation of a UK company until recently and I know they adamantly wanted us to remain in the EU, and are disappointed with the result, but at no point will they stop supplying customers and therefore will not be cancelling any orders!! I don't know what industry you operate in but unless the orders they are cancelling were for products or services more than 2 years down the road, then surely the need for that order still exists!!

I hope you get through this, it will be difficult for a while I would imagine, but hopefully common sense prevails with regards to the day to day business that is being conducted up and down the country.

[Dancingwilldoit]

Dev,
Not mentioning the Boris issue because it came as a shock. Think it came as an even bigger shock to him. Looks like those around him finally smelled the coffee.
Just take a listen to this if you haven't heard it already. The guy might well be in his late 80's but he knows what he's talking about http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audi...s/36677623

[hibeejim21]

People boasting about the pound and the ftse are aware that carney has just had to shove 250 billion into the economy ? He has been forced into stabilising the markets and especially the pensions of the elderly (mostly invested in oil and banking)

There is a cost of course that will be felt by those of us working,as our incomes dwindle via inflation. leave will kill growth and consumer demand (as dancing above is already showing),so carney will probably have to drop interest rates to compensate.

[Dancingwilldoit]

SCO,
We work on projects for all industries. We are an engineering company involved in materials handling and around 60% of our work is longer term with 16-20 week leadtimes.
Just had a director in today from one of Europes biggest garage door manufacturer who said they had just had a large scheduled order for next year cancelled by one of the UK biggest house builders. They supply the domestic market but are German owned and supply product into Europe as well. He was very concerned for the future.

The only thing we can do is try to fill the void that will be left in the short term due to order cancellations. We are very proactive and will survive but I really do feel sorry for others. Time will tell but its obvious confidence is rock bottom

[bluepooch]

Time will tell .That is the most important line in all this and for all the posturing no one really knows .
I just want you all to take a step back and ask yourselves are you happy with the country you live in ?
I believe this was the biggest factor in the vote.Those who were not happy voted for a change .
This change would have never happened through the grossly unfair first past the post general election system and only through this 'every vote counts 'system was the true feeling of the country known.

[hibeejim21]

The reason people are unhappy is purely down to a tory governments actions,leaving the eu only gives strength to their right wing of that party.



Time is already telling. The ftse is up because Carney has basically went over backwards to hand them as much tax payers money as necessary to guarantee stability.

You can't play that game for long.

The figures are already showing investment is zero, recruitment going down and major trouble ahead as foreign multinationals consider their positions. Why would nissan who make cars in sunderland to sell in the eu stick around in this void when they can up sticks to the netherlands?