[BaggieMan]

The whole Villa thing is a real hoot.
It's so nice to see that arrogant twot 'Deadly Doug' Ellis with a miserable look on his face instead of his usual smarmy smirk.
I well remember his 'I'm it, you're shit' style when he was in the travel industry an example of which was when asked to wear a tie under the house rules of a 5 star Cypriot hotel restaurant some years ago, Deady's response was "Don't you know who I am ?"
You reap what you sow proverb is so true.

[talkSAFT]

The whole Villa thing is a real hoot.
It's so nice to see that arrogant twot 'Deadly Doug' Ellis with a miserable look on his face instead of his usual smarmy smirk.
I well remember his 'I'm it, you're shit' style when he was in the travel industry an example of which was when asked to wear a tie under the house rules of a 5 star Cypriot hotel restaurant some years ago, Deady's response was "Don't you know who I am ?"
You reap what you sow proverb is so true.

Miserable face? No - he loves it.
This is the man who ordered the European Cup photos to be taken down in their Trophy Room (because he had been ousted during that really successful time 75-82).
Same bloke named the old Witton End "The Doug Ellis Stand", claiming that he begged the Board not to re-name it.
He also claimed that he played Pro football, and "invented the scissor-kick"!
He appeared on his own TV adverts for his Travel Agency business (so people would nudge each other when he walked into a restaurant).
Thank Heaven for Doug! He claimed to have pretty-well won The Battle of Britain single-handedly (which he nonchalantly let us know in a 5-minute soliloquy on Radio Interview when the interviewer mentioned Bayern Munich!)

What a guy!

[Beefy 1965]

And now announce losses of £27 Million .......
Thing's just get better and better

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/820455159?-11177:843:0

[St Charles Owl]

And now announce losses of £27 Million .......
Thing's just get better and better  

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/820455159?-11177:843:0

Based on those numbers and ignoring the debt, Villa will be right in the shit when they get relegated, look at these numbers:

2015 Revenue - 116m (TV portion 71m)
Projected Championship Revenue - 45m (assuming they retain ticket sales and commercial activities at same level)
Parachute payments - 25m (1st Year, 2nd year is 20m)
Total Projected revenue in Championship - 70m
Operating Costs 2015 - 139m
Player wages 2015 - 84m
Projected loss in Championship - 69m (Max loss allowed in the Championship under FFP is 13m, so a transfer embargo will be on its way as well!!)

These numbers are raw and I am sure with regards to Championship revenue they are high as well because not only will they lose the TV revenue but I would imagine a chunk of the 45m revenue left will be commercial activities which will also reduce due to lack of exposure.
And of course these are the 2015 numbers, maybe the 2016 have changed but it can't be by much!!!

They are going to have to do some serious cost cutting!!!

[Beefy 1965]

And now announce losses of £27 Million .......
Thing's just get better and better  

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/820455159?-11177:843:0

Based on those numbers and ignoring the debt, Villa will be right in the shit when they get relegated, look at these numbers:

2015 Revenue - 116m (TV portion 71m)
Projected Championship Revenue - 45m (assuming they retain ticket sales and commercial activities at same level)
Parachute payments - 25m (1st Year, 2nd year is 20m)
Total Projected revenue in Championship - 70m
Operating Costs 2015 - 139m
Player wages 2015 - 84m
Projected loss in Championship - 69m (Max loss allowed in the Championship under FFP is 13m, so a transfer embargo will be on its way as well!!)

These numbers are raw and I am sure with regards to Championship revenue they are high as well because not only will they lose the TV revenue but I would imagine a chunk of the 45m revenue left will be commercial activities which will also reduce due to lack of exposure.
And of course these are the 2015 numbers, maybe the 2016 have changed but it can't be by much!!!

They are going to have to do some serious cost cutting!!!

Great news all round then 

[talkSAFT]

And now announce losses of £27 Million .......
Thing's just get better and better  

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/820455159?-11177:843:0

Based on those numbers and ignoring the debt, Villa will be right in the shit when they get relegated, look at these numbers:

2015 Revenue - 116m (TV portion 71m)
Projected Championship Revenue - 45m (assuming they retain ticket sales and commercial activities at same level)
Parachute payments - 25m (1st Year, 2nd year is 20m)
Total Projected revenue in Championship - 70m
Operating Costs 2015 - 139m
Player wages 2015 - 84m
Projected loss in Championship - 69m (Max loss allowed in the Championship under FFP is 13m, so a transfer embargo will be on its way as well!!)

These numbers are raw and I am sure with regards to Championship revenue they are high as well because not only will they lose the TV revenue but I would imagine a chunk of the 45m revenue left will be commercial activities which will also reduce due to lack of exposure.
And of course these are the 2015 numbers, maybe the 2016 have changed but it can't be by much!!!

They are going to have to do some serious cost cutting!!!

Wow - interesting figures, Charlie. What are equivalent numbers for Wednesday, out of interest? (Similar sized Club)

[silverbaggie]

And now announce losses of £27 Million .......
Thing's just get better and better  

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/820455159?-11177:843:0

Based on those numbers and ignoring the debt, Villa will be right in the shit when they get relegated, look at these numbers:

2015 Revenue - 116m (TV portion 71m)
Projected Championship Revenue - 45m (assuming they retain ticket sales and commercial activities at same level)
Parachute payments - 25m (1st Year, 2nd year is 20m)
Total Projected revenue in Championship - 70m
Operating Costs 2015 - 139m
Player wages 2015 - 84m
Projected loss in Championship - 69m (Max loss allowed in the Championship under FFP is 13m, so a transfer embargo will be on its way as well!!)

These numbers are raw and I am sure with regards to Championship revenue they are high as well because not only will they lose the TV revenue but I would imagine a chunk of the 45m revenue left will be commercial activities which will also reduce due to lack of exposure.
And of course these are the 2015 numbers, maybe the 2016 have changed but it can't be by much!!!

They are going to have to do some serious cost cutting!!!

Great news all round then 

Unlike the 'Big Mac' ...........I'm lovin' it.

[4evaabaggie]

Definitely a win win situation ..... Villa go down the league's and down the pan at the same time. Could be some time before a west Midlands league derby for us then .......

Pride of the Midlands ...... We know what we are.

[BaggieMan]

In someways th dimise of Midlands football is a rather sad indictment of football in the area when you think that our nearest 'derby' games are Stoke to the north and Leicester to the east and that's it.

Just hope Blouse get promotion to add a little rivalry and a local derby.

[St Charles Owl]

And now announce losses of £27 Million .......
Thing's just get better and better  

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/820455159?-11177:843:0

Based on those numbers and ignoring the debt, Villa will be right in the shit when they get relegated, look at these numbers:

2015 Revenue - 116m (TV portion 71m)
Projected Championship Revenue - 45m (assuming they retain ticket sales and commercial activities at same level)
Parachute payments - 25m (1st Year, 2nd year is 20m)
Total Projected revenue in Championship - 70m
Operating Costs 2015 - 139m
Player wages 2015 - 84m
Projected loss in Championship - 69m (Max loss allowed in the Championship under FFP is 13m, so a transfer embargo will be on its way as well!!)

These numbers are raw and I am sure with regards to Championship revenue they are high as well because not only will they lose the TV revenue but I would imagine a chunk of the 45m revenue left will be commercial activities which will also reduce due to lack of exposure.
And of course these are the 2015 numbers, maybe the 2016 have changed but it can't be by much!!!

They are going to have to do some serious cost cutting!!!

Wow - interesting figures, Charlie. What are equivalent numbers for Wednesday, out of interest? (Similar sized Club)

Our last accounts through to May 31st 2015 show our annual revenue at 15m, with 12m coming from ticket sales, so not a lot of commercial income.  Our wage bill was 11.8m and that year we made a 5m loss!!!  I am not sure that many Premier League fans realize the disparity between the Prem and Championship, it is not a gap, it's a chasm!!!  We are one of the top 7 clubs in terms of size in the Championship but our numbers don't come anywhere near your revenues!!  A lot of premier league teams will hit very financially troubled waters if they stay down in the Championship for too long.  Clubs like Villa, Sunderland, Newcastle will have to trim their squads even with parachute payments, and with many clubs like Villa carrying a lot of debt the financial spiral will not stop, just look at Bolton, Wolves and Wigan!!  

Of course the premier league will never agree to spreading the wealth further down, and JP is part of that decision process, and let's remember the late Phil Gartside at Bolton tried to end promotion and relegation when they were in the Prem because he knew damn well that Bolton could not easily survive relegation, and while he would have destroyed English football if he had achieved his aim, he was actually right in terms of the effect on them.

I would add that these accounts are for the last season with Milan Mandaric as owner, we have now been bought by a wealthy Thai businessman and we are far more commercially savvy than we have been for years and he has raised the ticket prices for POTD and away fans dramatically, you will be lucky to pay less than 30 quid for an away game at Hillsborough these days!!  I think our revenue this season will be in the 20m range and the bulk of that is from ticket sales.  We have just had the first phase sale on next season's season tickets in January/February and we sold 14k for next season and due to a three year offer we sold about 22k in total.  It looks like we will have between 18k and 20k season ticket holders next season but the owners stated aim is to sell STs not POTD tickets and he is achieving that.  We are going for it this season but our target is promotion next season, we are on our way back but a Championship club can only sustain  a promotion challenge for a few seasons before they have to scale it back or fall foul of FFP, like Forest and Blackburn have discovered and Derby, Boro and even us will discover over the coming seasons.

I just hope that Premier League teams and fans don't forget about the rest of us, as the FL say, We are the 72!!!  Promotion and relegation must stay and more money needs to trickle down but the new tv deal is not only putting more distance between the leagues but it makes the revenues from the parachute payments for the relegated teams way more than we could ever hope to generate without having the same TV money.  I know you guys have your problems with Pulis, and I get that with regards to the style of play, but if he keeps you up he has potentially secured your club for many years to come and made sure your revenue next season even if you finish bottom will be well over 100m, that is dreamland for us "big" teams in the Championship!!!