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Andy Holt has only been involved in football for about 2 months and he's showing his inexperience here, but even so he should be aware that this has been the reality of football for quite some time. And if he thinks the 2 players are £1.5m worth of talent I'd be very interested to know what Accrington are paying them currently.

TWG is bang on that choosing an employer is no more than what everyone else is entitled to. Even the whole development compensation thing is pushing it a bit when you compare football to other professions. For example, a trainee accountant is employed by a firm, paid a fairly low salary but gets the costs of studying towards a professional qualification into the bargain. It's generally accepted that when they're qualified the accountant will then look to move to a job that maximises their earning potential, and their former employer doesn't bleat about it or demand recompense. This is a model that's true of many other professions. The basic premise is that you get the benefit of a young, hungry employee working their socks off to get themselves recognition and a foothold in their profession, all at a relatively low cost to the training firm. Proven talents get their choice of top jobs and higher salaries without having to subsidise their former employers - once their contract ends so does any obligation.

I also agree though that we could have made contact with the club out of politeness to let them know, but then Holt was hardly the consummate professional himself in revealing the players were in talks with us on Twitter.
Accrington took a risk signing these lads on short term contracts with no extension clause. Which they could have done.

I would imagine that they signed two young lads, released from a higher league, who were desperate to just have a contract somewhere - regardless of how low the wages. Because all footballers know that once you drop out of the professional game and have to work at something else it's difficult to get back in. They've benefited from having their services at minimal cost for 18 months.

Had they been shite they would have let them go without a whimper.

So long and thanks for all the fish.
(07-01-2016, 23:58)TheWorthinGer Wrote:
(07-01-2016, 23:50)St Charles Owl Wrote: The Bosman ruling was all about the free trade of players who were out of contact, and it achieved this aim.  These two players are not out of contract until the summer, my point is a player under contract should not be approached by another club without the permission of their existing club.  I am not convinced that this is what the Bosman case was about.

Your McLeish example is exactly what Bosman fought to change and that has been achieved with out of contract players being free to go anywhere.  As I said, this transfer is different to that.

It's not different at all - their contracts are coming to an end and they have the right to secure their future without having to wait until the last minute or the club they are currently contracted to being able to block negotiations.

Which many would.

Their contract at Rangers begins when their current one ends.  "Freedom" is the key word.

On a personal note, a phone call to the manager expressing our intent might have been "nice" but certainly not necessary.

Thats not right though, the one thing the Bosman rule brought in was freedom of movement once your contract had ended and these two are still under contract to a club.  If they do not sign a new contract then they become free agents when their contract expires and the club can do nothing about that!  At that point they are free to find a new club without any hindrance.
They're not free to move yet so they're still Accrington players at the moment. Signing pre-contracts with Rangers doesn't negate their existing contracts in any way. In pretty much any other line of work you're free to speak to potential employers without seeking permission from your current one at any time in your contract regardless of when any existing contract is due to expire. Clubs preventing players from speaking to other clubs until their contract has expired would put them at a huge disadvantage in the market compared with those who were allowed to do so.
Anyone in the last year of there contract is allowed to talk and sign pre contracts with any club from the 1st January, so basically they are giving 6months notice to Accy Stanley.

It's the harsh reality of the football world spinning round, the best Accy can hope for is that these two lads continue to shine at League 2 level and give them the best possible chance of promotion to league 1 at the end of the season.

By the way if they are jointly worth £1.5m then the market has truly gone mad
St Charles Owl Wrote:
TheWorthinGer Wrote:
St Charles Owl Wrote:The Bosman ruling was all about the free trade of players who were out of contact, and it achieved this aim.  These two players are not out of contract until the summer, my point is a player under contract should not be approached by another club without the permission of their existing club.  I am not convinced that this is what the Bosman case was about.

Your McLeish example is exactly what Bosman fought to change and that has been achieved with out of contract players being free to go anywhere.  As I said, this transfer is different to that.

It's not different at all - their contracts are coming to an end and they have the right to secure their future without having to wait until the last minute or the club they are currently contracted to being able to block negotiations.

Which many would.

Their contract at Rangers begins when their current one ends.  "Freedom" is the key word.

On a personal note, a phone call to the manager expressing our intent might have been "nice" but certainly not necessary.

Thats not right though, the one thing the Bosman rule brought in was freedom of movement once your contract had ended and these two are still under contract to a club.  If they do not sign a new contract then they become free agents when their contract expires and the club can do nothing about that!  At that point they are free to find a new club without any hindrance.

You have suggested that players should not be allowed to discuss contracts with other clubs  without the consent of the club they are currently contracted to until their contract expires - that removes their freedom to secure their future.  Which is the point of bosman. 

So it is right, as many clubs would indeed block a player from discussing a contract with another club in the last 6 months of their current contract if they had the power to do so.

You might note that they have not moved - they have merely secured another contract at the end of their current one.
I dont see what the fuss is here, this goes on all the time.
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(08-01-2016, 12:37)supercooper Wrote: I dont see what the fuss is here, this goes on all the time.

Believe me when you see them play you won't know what the fuss was all about Wink
Wakey it's all about coaching Wink
08/01/2016 : Off-topic, but I cannot let this pass by unmentioned.

BBC - Flying Scotsman: Famous engine back on tracks

... stretching a point, it does do transfers !  Smartass
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