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Maybe folk will see it for what it is. Our game is pretty poor, and there is no disguising it. A one horse race does nothing to attract players or sponsors; or fans for that matter. Have to say Celtic are going to be playing where they deserve to be playing; the Europa league. I get no joy from this but if everyone takes it as a reality check, then maybe Scottish football can do whats best for the game in the country and not for the individual clubs and fans...... I aint gonna hold my breath though
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Celtic not being in the champions league has xxxx all to do with rangers being where they are. What does scottish fitba need to do exactly ? Honestly you lots ego is just as bad as your neighbours if not worse.
There's no reality check needed here. Rangers got put out by the same mob years ago when you were in the top flight.
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Your attitude is the problem. I never mentioned Rangers or was thinking about the but you believe what you want. as I say, our(the country)'s football stock is down the swanny, and I dont see it getting any better until everyone starts pulling together. But all you can do is attack me and Rangers
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Who's attacking you struth ? Dearie me. I'm attacking the idea that scottish football can do anything particularly about our teams failing to get to the champions league or progress in europe.
Rangers failed to get there plenty of times when it wasn't a 'one horse race'. That's the point i'm making.
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Kind of amusing that we got such pelters from that lot for losing to Malmo and then Maribor in Ally's first few matches, and now Celtic have been knocked out of the CL qualifiers by those teams in successive seasons. Seems like they had it coming with some of the comments coming out of Celtic Park and from Ronny Deila in particular. Ahead of the first tie he said it would be impossible for Malmo to stop them, and even after coming away with a slender lead and 2 away goals conceded to a weakened Malmo side he still maintained that Celtic had shown how much better they were and they would get past them no bother. Arrogant xxxx deserved that defeat.
He's also got his players playing dirty and attacking the opposition verbally on the pitch if identical complaints by both Qarabag and Malmo players are anything to go by, particularly regarding Scott Brown's behaviour. I know it always goes on to an extent in football, but for players from these sides to come out and criticise it must be particularly bad. If Deila was so sure of his side's footballing ability he wouldn't feel the need to cultivate that approach. Celtic will also be in line to pick up an umpteenth UEFA fine in recent years after getting 6 yellow cards in the 2nd leg.
I have to admit though, it's a surprise to me that Celtic have struggled to make any impact in Europe in the last few seasons when they should have been earning CL money to power further ahead financially of everyone else in Scotland. But in the last 3 years their only victory over a team ranked higher and with more resources available to them was their home win against Ajax, while they've lost plenty to teams that are on paper inferior, sometimes vastly so. In line with the trend among the rest of Scotland's teams they're going backwards rather than even standing still. CL qualification at the very least should have been assured by the qualification system which leaves them facing only 'weaker' teams. Makes me dread what it's going to be like for Rangers if we get back into Europe any time soon as we just seem to be so far behind now in Scotland that it's impossible to judge a team based on how it performs in this country.
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To be fair to deila Malmo were coming out with stuff that was pretty arrogant too and that was before a ba was even kicked. Most of that comes down to psychology in the end its part and parcel of the game.
What I noticeable is that he has taken the bulk of lennons team which made the CL and not added enough to make them anything other than a Europa side. The Celtic fans will turn on him soon,its what they do.
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26-08-2015, 11:17
(This post was last modified: 26-08-2015, 11:20 by El Car.)
It'll be interesting to see how Lawwell and Desmond react to the manager. The only real task Deila has had to take on - given that winning the league should have been more or less a given for any manager coming in - was to qualify for the CL. Significantly weakened sides have even been played in league games in the last 3 years during the qualifiers, something they couldn't afford to do in the past. Deila has basically failed in Task A. He's still won a league title though albeit without his side ever looking amazing, and will do so again this season.
I recall reading about this appointment at the time and how Desmond is the man who hand-picked O'Neill, Strachan and Lennon, sometimes ahead of Lawwell's first choice, while this time round he let Lawwell make the decision. Based on that I think Lawwell will back his man fully and with as much funding as he can supply (in contrast to the diminishing amounts made available to Deila's predecessors from one season to the next) while Desmond will be itching to replace him ASAP and get someone else bedded in well ahead of next season's qualifiers.
I don't know if all the Celtic fans have ever really taken Deila to heart. Most of them were also more realistic about the danger posed by Malmo in the 2nd leg than their manager was, so I don't think they'll have much patience for him now.
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Deila strikes me as another Mowbray,a luxury manager they might get away with a bit longer but will get caught out in time. He will end up back in Norway.
Lennons two cl campaigns has given them breathing space til you guys get back,its allowed them to put in place a model where Europa league does. And it will have to be the same for rangers.
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26-08-2015, 12:14
(This post was last modified: 26-08-2015, 12:18 by El Car.)
I completely forgot about Mowbray. Guess who the last manager picked by Lawwell was?
By the way, I'm under no illusions about Rangers would fare in these CL qualifiers. Things have been going very well for us on the park lately, but we're only in the SPFL Championship so a long way from proving we can develop well enough to be competitive in Europe. Even if we were to win the Premiership, we'd be an unseeded team in qualifiers so wouldn't enjoy the advantage Celtic have had. We'd have to beat at least 1 really tough opponent. I think you're right in saying the Europa League should be the height of our realistic ambitions for now.
