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It'd be even more depressing if we were in the Championship.
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As most I have slightly calmed.
Pulis is the manager we desperately needed.
May not be the right place to post BUT:
I was raging with the way our recent managers were treated. Mel, Clarke and Irvine were left-field 'cheap' options. They were offered the job - jumped at the chance- then failed. It didn't take a Villa Steward to see that coming.
My anger and disillusion was them being given the job in the first place with very little backing - they stood no chance.
I hated Albion for doing that to well regarded professional people.
Pulis took over when we were staring relegation in the face - NEVER FORGET THAT
I worry when I see Lescott at left back. - worth a try, didn't work, don't do it again
After the West Ham game we were all in awe - It was beautiful - we have some good players!!!!!!!!
League game - horrendous day at the office
Cup game - (play like we did against West Ham?) - horrendous day at the office
It was awful with a lovely piece of icing from our knuckle-draggers. A shocking page in our history.
Pulis is keeping us up with pretty much what he inherited. That was his brief.
We all feel down - let it go and let's fight another day
I can go a step higher than Aston Villa
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After last years debacle, we would have taken a mid table finish and an FA cup quarter final, would we not ?
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A definite YES BC
I still feel gutted at what should have been. It's hard to let it go (as I'm sure you feel) but it's gone. Onwards and upwards and folks never forget a couple of months ago we were heading to the Championship.
I can go a step higher than Aston Villa
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Thank you valpayne, Stairs, drewks and aries22 for your reasoned comments on TP. It's so sad and depressing to me to see the criticism of him on here from some of the contributors. We stand on the edge of Premier survival where we would have probably been relegated now, to all intents and purposes, had Irvine remained. Disappointing as the end to our cup run is, I don't believe we would have got past Gateshead under the previous incumbent. We were practically out of it until TP went in the dressing room at half-time.
I'm sure we'll pick up the other half dozen or so points to ensure we stay in the Prem. Then let's see if he can change the squad to his liking in the summer for less stressful time next season.
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We were 2-0 up at half-time in the Gateshead game (although I admit we were poor in the 1st half). I wish people would stop bigging up TP by comparing him to AFI. It's such a cheap, easy argument that really is not saying much given how poor AFI was.
I get that people are pleased with TP for laying the foundations for Premiership survival and I think he deserves credit for that (although I also think he had a bit of luck in his first couple of games). However I am still fuming and feeling let down after these two gutless and tactically poor local derbies, where we've managed to concede 4 goals in 2 games against a team that has only been scoring about 1 in 2 all season.
Playing Lescott at LB after we have already seen him struggle in this position several times is madness. We have all seen enough of Poco this season to know that he can play. I don't care whether TP doesn't like Poco's attitude; Just play the best LB at LB for God's sake. And don't tell me it's because Poco tackles too hard. Since when was TP put off by that? He keeps playing Yacob who is a card-magnet, and who somehow manages to get sent off just by being tackled, so it can't be because of that! And as other's have pointed out, there is no point playing 4 big lads hoping for a scrappy set piece when you can't even get up the pitch to win a corner in the first place. Also, is that the extent of our attacking ambition? Hoping for a set piece goal against Villa?
I keep hearing that TP's strength is that he adapts his tactical set up around the players he's got. If that is true, why does he keep playing 442 when we only have 2 fit strikers? This effectively means we can't make an attacking change from the bench. It also means both strikers have to stay on the pitch for the entire game, which is problematic because by 65-70 mins they're completely knackered from chasing after aimless hoofs from our 4 big lads at the back. This is why we were never going to score in a month of Sundays at the end of the last game, even with 11 men on the pitch.
And as I said in my first post on here, I can't believe people want to trust him with taking control over our transfer dealings given his record on this front at Stoke.
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You put that much better than I did, May68.
TP is quite an improvement on AI and Pepe, and I'm pretty sure he'll come good eventually.
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(10-03-2015, 16:23)May68 Wrote: We were 2-0 up at half-time in the Gateshead game (although I admit we were poor in the 1st half). I wish people would stop bigging up TP by comparing him to AFI. It's such a cheap, easy argument that really is not saying much given how poor AFI was.
I get that people are pleased with TP for laying the foundations for Premiership survival and I think he deserves credit for that (although I also think he had a bit of luck in his first couple of games). However I am still fuming and feeling let down after these two gutless and tactically poor local derbies, where we've managed to concede 4 goals in 2 games against a team that has only been scoring about 1 in 2 all season.
Playing Lescott at LB after we have already seen him struggle in this position several times is madness. We have all seen enough of Poco this season to know that he can play. I don't care whether TP doesn't like Poco's attitude; Just play the best LB at LB for God's sake. And don't tell me it's because Poco tackles too hard. Since when was TP put off by that? He keeps playing Yacob who is a card-magnet, and who somehow manages to get sent off just by being tackled, so it can't be because of that! And as other's have pointed out, there is no point playing 4 big lads hoping for a scrappy set piece when you can't even get up the pitch to win a corner in the first place. Also, is that the extent of our attacking ambition? Hoping for a set piece goal against Villa?
I keep hearing that TP's strength is that he adapts his tactical set up around the players he's got. If that is true, why does he keep playing 442 when we only have 2 fit strikers? This effectively means we can't make an attacking change from the bench. It also means both strikers have to stay on the pitch for the entire game, which is problematic because by 65-70 mins they're completely knackered from chasing after aimless hoofs from our 4 big lads at the back. This is why we were never going to score in a month of Sundays at the end of the last game, even with 11 men on the pitch.
And as I said in my first post on here, I can't believe people want to trust him with taking control over our transfer dealings given his record on this front at Stoke.
I honestly don't think there's any hero worship going on here May68 just a recognition of the fact that AI was clearly out of his depth as was Mel. Its not their fault It was peace that appointed them and things were looking really grim in December. TP's appointment was simply a much more pragmatic one at the time. He has a proven premiership record and a very recent success in avoiding the drop. I appreciate he isn't everyones cup of tea but he appears to be getting the job done that he was employed to do. Avoid the drop. We must do that by hook or by crook because the money incentive is bigger than ever in this league now and with money comes better quality players. I've asked this question several times but as yet nobody has given a single answer. Who was available when AI was sacked that people here think would have been a better appointment than TP? If anyone can provide me with a name that would have realistically took the job on I'm all ears and I'll bow to better knowledge than mine.
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(10-03-2015, 16:23)May68 Wrote: We were 2-0 up at half-time in the Gateshead game (although I admit we were poor in the 1st half). I wish people would stop bigging up TP by comparing him to AFI. It's such a cheap, easy argument that really is not saying much given how poor AFI was.
I get that people are pleased with TP for laying the foundations for Premiership survival and I think he deserves credit for that (although I also think he had a bit of luck in his first couple of games). However I am still fuming and feeling let down after these two gutless and tactically poor local derbies, where we've managed to concede 4 goals in 2 games against a team that has only been scoring about 1 in 2 all season.
Playing Lescott at LB after we have already seen him struggle in this position several times is madness. We have all seen enough of Poco this season to know that he can play. I don't care whether TP doesn't like Poco's attitude; Just play the best LB at LB for God's sake. And don't tell me it's because Poco tackles too hard. Since when was TP put off by that? He keeps playing Yacob who is a card-magnet, and who somehow manages to get sent off just by being tackled, so it can't be because of that! And as other's have pointed out, there is no point playing 4 big lads hoping for a scrappy set piece when you can't even get up the pitch to win a corner in the first place. Also, is that the extent of our attacking ambition? Hoping for a set piece goal against Villa?
I keep hearing that TP's strength is that he adapts his tactical set up around the players he's got. If that is true, why does he keep playing 442 when we only have 2 fit strikers? This effectively means we can't make an attacking change from the bench. It also means both strikers have to stay on the pitch for the entire game, which is problematic because by 65-70 mins they're completely knackered from chasing after aimless hoofs from our 4 big lads at the back. This is why we were never going to score in a month of Sundays at the end of the last game, even with 11 men on the pitch.
And as I said in my first post on here, I can't believe people want to trust him with taking control over our transfer dealings given his record on this front at Stoke.
Like any other Baggie supporter, I am bitterly disappointed at losing twice to that vile shower. However, I think individual poor performances, errors and misses played a large part in our downfall.
Re. full backs backs; see the separate Pocognoli, Gamboa, Davidson under 21 thread.
(10-03-2015, 18:09)valpayne Wrote: (10-03-2015, 16:23)May68 Wrote: We were 2-0 up at half-time in the Gateshead game (although I admit we were poor in the 1st half). I wish people would stop bigging up TP by comparing him to AFI. It's such a cheap, easy argument that really is not saying much given how poor AFI was.
I get that people are pleased with TP for laying the foundations for Premiership survival and I think he deserves credit for that (although I also think he had a bit of luck in his first couple of games). However I am still fuming and feeling let down after these two gutless and tactically poor local derbies, where we've managed to concede 4 goals in 2 games against a team that has only been scoring about 1 in 2 all season.
Playing Lescott at LB after we have already seen him struggle in this position several times is madness. We have all seen enough of Poco this season to know that he can play. I don't care whether TP doesn't like Poco's attitude; Just play the best LB at LB for God's sake. And don't tell me it's because Poco tackles too hard. Since when was TP put off by that? He keeps playing Yacob who is a card-magnet, and who somehow manages to get sent off just by being tackled, so it can't be because of that! And as other's have pointed out, there is no point playing 4 big lads hoping for a scrappy set piece when you can't even get up the pitch to win a corner in the first place. Also, is that the extent of our attacking ambition? Hoping for a set piece goal against Villa?
I keep hearing that TP's strength is that he adapts his tactical set up around the players he's got. If that is true, why does he keep playing 442 when we only have 2 fit strikers? This effectively means we can't make an attacking change from the bench. It also means both strikers have to stay on the pitch for the entire game, which is problematic because by 65-70 mins they're completely knackered from chasing after aimless hoofs from our 4 big lads at the back. This is why we were never going to score in a month of Sundays at the end of the last game, even with 11 men on the pitch.
And as I said in my first post on here, I can't believe people want to trust him with taking control over our transfer dealings given his record on this front at Stoke.
I honestly don't think there's any hero worship going on here May68 just a recognition of the fact that AI was clearly out of his depth as was Mel. Its not their fault It was peace that appointed them and things were looking really grim in December. TP's appointment was simply a much more pragmatic one at the time. He has a proven premiership record and a very recent success in avoiding the drop. I appreciate he isn't everyones cup of tea but he appears to be getting the job done that he was employed to do. Avoid the drop. We must do that by hook or by crook because the money incentive is bigger than ever in this league now and with money comes better quality players. I've asked this question several times but as yet nobody has given a single answer. Who was available when AI was sacked that people here think would have been a better appointment than TP? If anyone can provide me with a name that would have realistically took the job on I'm all ears and I'll bow to better knowledge than mine.
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I'm also disappointed I had a row that night because of it but here's a piece of interesting info just for the hell of it? My Tottenham mate at work is football mad. He predicted we would lose both these games  He bets on football matches a lot and he gets a lot right. His thoughts for what its worth are that Villa actually have a good YOUNG squad that will come good in a year or so and he had a feeling that at their place villa would come good on those two horrible nights, needless to say I didn't thank him for his predictions but he said it with conviction not to P*** me off but just as a matter of fact and sadly he was right He also said to me that we have a very good manager in Pulis and he will defo keep us up so I'm hoping this time his predictions are right. I'm guessing the Poco Gamboa and davidson thread mentions the fact they lost at under 21 level would i be right I'll head off for a look now
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