[harrogatebaggie]

There seem to be a couple of people who seem to want CC to take the Leicester job.

Is this the majority?

My opinion. I can see why people may think to have a change, with the draws we have had. But we have a second team defence playing with all the injuries and CC has still managed to keep clean sheets.

He may be concentrating on our defence to the detriment of our attack. Plus our number one striker has been on the injured list most of CC’s reign.

But I believe he is the best manager we have had for many many years.

He knows how to set up a team, he makes subs when needed, and in my opinion has improved us every season he has been with us. Without any funds to spend. 

Personally, I want to keep him for years to come, enjoy the journey. Let’s not be like West Ham with moyes or Birmingham with Eustace, believing we have a right to cups and promotion. It will come with the right man and patience. I believe CC is the right man with our new owners.

I say be careful what you wish for.

[4evaabaggie]

I don’t want CC to leave, but the defensive football and number of draws is a bit concerning.
With a bit more attacking intent and flair we should be right up there.

Come on you baggies!

[Salopbaggie]

I really cannot believe anyone could have done what CC has done with what he has had, and to be honest I am surprised anyone thinks someone else could do better.

He has had to deal with all the Lai nonsense, then the uncertainty of a take over and lets be honest, he still lost a lot of his first team squad. His budget for incoming's has been limited for several reasons including the EFL issues. He has not had anywhere near had our strongest squad available at any time during the vast majority of the season. and we have been in a playoff position right up until this week,

So what if we are playing a bit defensive of late, look at our last match they had to rush Bartley back and we still only had 1 first choice defender in their preferred position on the pitch and that was only for one half, and we are still not losing games.

I really don't know what people expect, the midfield have to sit back to protect the weakened defence, so attacking opportunities are extremely limited without risking a counter attack on that weak defence. Never mind getting rid of CC we should be giving him the keys of West Brom.

[4evaabaggie]

Salop,
I am not against CC, he has done a bloody good job as you say with very difficult operating conditions, he has always been known as a manager that sets up his teams defensively sound, he has a good win ratio, a high draw ratio and not to many defeats, he has taken us from the brink of league one to pushing for the greed league. Our year's of Chinese takeaways has made our club hard to manage as finances get ever more stretched. I grew up on the Albion of the seventies, attacking flair, entertainment, edge of the seat stuff. Not the greed league era of no risk, mustn't lose football.
I sometimes forget that clubs like ours have their hands tied and are not allowed into the FA's elite gentleman's club. A level playing field it isn't.

Come on you baggies.

Hoping for a full squad, back competing for automatic and more.

[Salopbaggie]

Salop,
I am not against CC, he has done a bloody good job as you say with very difficult operating conditions, he has always been known as a manager that sets up his teams defensively sound, he has a good win ratio, a high draw ratio and not to many defeats, he has taken us from the brink of league one to pushing for the greed league. Our year's of Chinese takeaways has made our club hard to manage as finances get ever more stretched. I grew up on the Albion of the seventies, attacking flair, entertainment, edge of the seat stuff. Not the greed league era of no risk, mustn't lose football.
I sometimes forget that clubs like ours have their hands tied and are not allowed into the FA's elite gentleman's club. A level playing field it isn't.

Come on you baggies.

Hoping for a full squad, back competing for automatic and more.

I did not think you were anti CC , like you I was brought up on the Albion of the 70's. Big Cyril cost us £5000, Laurie Cunningham not much more from Leyton O. I seem to remember a story of then chief scout Ronnie Allen saying, if needed he would put up the transfer fee out of his own pocket, so perhaps money was not in plentiful supply then either.

[Blue Baggie]

Carlos is undoubtedly a very good tactical manager. He's not without fault IMHO. He does see the squad day in and say out and tbh is much better placed then most of us to decide who is chosen to play and who's on the bench. Why anyone questions his actions really is stupid. But that's football.
Carlos believes strength starts with a well organised strong defence as all the great managers have.
With the financial constraints Carlos operates makes him a miracle worker. We really need to hang on to him
Im still not sure it sunk in yet that we must sell our better players to generate funds on a regular basis and a continual turn over of good players has to be the norm. Our recruitment dept has been poor for many years and needs changing starting with Pearce.
Long live king Carlos.

[BaggieSteve]

I think he’s fundamentally a pretty cautious manager and, like others who have been brought up on attacking Albion teams of the past, I find it can be very frustrating to watch. However, when we consider the challenges he has had off the field during his time with us, I believe he’s still the right person to coach us, although I don’t think we’ll get promoted this season or probably not even the next because of our continuing financial problems.

I feel we need to be realistic on what can be achieved, I think it’s a slow build.
Still, look on the bright side, we could be Sky Blues fans, now identified as “Frank Lampard’s Coventry City”. Some clubs and their owners never seem to learn

[Slick_Footwork]

I am on the fence at the moment.

Corberan was my choice for the job when Bruce was sacked. I think he has done a great job in his first 2 seasons.

He has 2 main assets in my opinion. Firstly, he can recognise a player. Secondly, he's improved lots of players defensively.

Recognising a player should be an asset that all managers have, sadly, many don't. If you look at Steve Bruce, he couldn't see the wood for the trees. Bruce didn't pick Okay Yokuslu and sent out Cedric Kipre on loan. Corberan reintroduced Yokulsu as soon as he came in and we shot up the league. Last season Kipre was first choice and along with Yokuslu, one of our stand out players.

Likewise, he's recognised the likes of BTA and John Swift were not good enough. Sadly, we haven't been able to shift and replace the latter.

In terms of improving defensive players, there are numerous examples. Kipre, Furlong, Bartley. Even Conner Townsend looked okay defensively last season. Furlong's transformation is astonishing.

Unfortunately, managers and their tactics can go stale over time and it feels like it's going that way to me...

Our tactics remain the same as last year, pass around at the back to bring the opposition on and then try and beat the press. Unfortunately, without Cedric Kipre, we don't have that defender with the passing range to threat balls through the press. Now, more often than not, we're passing ourselves into submission. The opposition can read our slow side to side passing like a book.

We need a plan B, but it doesn't seem like Corberan has one...

In addition, he is constantly tinkering with the team selection without reason. I can't get over the decisions to drop Mowatt and Fellows earlier in the season when we were in a hot streak. As for Mikey Johnston, he must regret turning down Sheffield United and Burnley to sign for us. I was so excited when we made his deal permanent, but he's not had more than 2 games back to back.

All that said, my problem isn't necessarily the current league position. After all, we're in the mix up despite losing our best 2 players - Kipre and Yokuslu - and replacing them with loans and freebies.

However, my problem that our current trajectory is downwards. Something I didn't expect after a strong transfer window and when you look at the fact the league is much weaker than last season.

After deadline day, I thought we were a "shoe in" for the playoffs and would even have a shout at automatic if we stayed injury free. Sadly, after watching 18 games, I really can't see us making the top 6. There just doesn't seem to be enough desire to win games. IMO Corberan has to take some blame for that. For me, the constant recycling of possession and choosing to pass up the opportunity to go forwards in favour of a "simple" backwards pass has been coached into the team.

Currently I'd still give him more time, after all, a strong January transfer window could change things. A proper creative midfielder and back up striker would make all the difference.

Sadly, we know our financial situation and it's more likely to be outgoings rather than incomings. While I would welcome the departure of Swift and Wallace, I fear we're more likely to lose a Fellows or Maja. And where would we be without them this season?

Best case could be keeping our first XI and moving on some of the back up. If that happens, tactics will need to change because what we're seeing now is not good enough.

And then the clock will be ticking.

After all, there's nothing worse than watching a mid table championship side playing dull football. If you're going nowhere, at least try to win games, take chances and entertain.

[harrogatebaggie]

I am on the fence at the moment.

Corberan was my choice for the job when Bruce was sacked. I think he has done a great job in his first 2 seasons.

He has 2 main assets in my opinion. Firstly, he can recognise a player. Secondly, he's improved lots of players defensively.

Recognising a player should be an asset that all managers have, sadly, many don't. If you look at Steve Bruce, he couldn't see the wood for the trees. Bruce didn't pick Okay Yokuslu and sent out Cedric Kipre on loan. Corberan reintroduced Yokulsu as soon as he came in and we shot up the league. Last season Kipre was first choice and along with Yokuslu, one of our stand out players.

Likewise, he's recognised the likes of BTA and John Swift were not good enough. Sadly, we haven't been able to shift and replace the latter.

In terms of improving defensive players, there are numerous examples. Kipre, Furlong, Bartley. Even Conner Townsend looked okay defensively last season. Furlong's transformation is astonishing.

Unfortunately, managers and their tactics can go stale over time and it feels like it's going that way to me...

Our tactics remain the same as last year, pass around at the back to bring the opposition on and then try and beat the press. Unfortunately, without Cedric Kipre, we don't have that defender with the passing range to threat balls through the press. Now, more often than not, we're passing ourselves into submission. The opposition can read our slow side to side passing like a book.

We need a plan B, but it doesn't seem like Corberan has one...

In addition, he is constantly tinkering with the team selection without reason. I can't get over the decisions to drop Mowatt and Fellows earlier in the season when we were in a hot streak. As for Mikey Johnston, he must regret turning down Sheffield United and Burnley to sign for us. I was so excited when we made his deal permanent, but he's not had more than 2 games back to back.

All that said, my problem isn't necessarily the current league position. After all, we're in the mix up despite losing our best 2 players - Kipre and Yokuslu - and replacing them with loans and freebies.

However, my problem that our current trajectory is downwards. Something I didn't expect after a strong transfer window and when you look at the fact the league is much weaker than last season.

After deadline day, I thought we were a "shoe in" for the playoffs and would even have a shout at automatic if we stayed injury free. Sadly, after watching 18 games, I really can't see us making the top 6. There just doesn't seem to be enough desire to win games. IMO Corberan has to take some blame for that. For me, the constant recycling of possession and choosing to pass up the opportunity to go forwards in favour of a "simple" backwards pass has been coached into the team.

Currently I'd still give him more time, after all, a strong January transfer window could change things. A proper creative midfielder and back up striker would make all the difference.

Sadly, we know our financial situation and it's more likely to be outgoings rather than incomings. While I would welcome the departure of Swift and Wallace, I fear we're more likely to lose a Fellows or Maja. And where would we be without them this season?

Best case could be keeping our first XI and moving on some of the back up. If that happens, tactics will need to change because what we're seeing now is not good enough.

And then the clock will be ticking.

After all, there's nothing worse than watching a mid table championship side playing dull football. If you're going nowhere, at least try to win games, take chances and entertain.

Thank you for your input, some very good points.

[Blue Baggie]

People need to look at the bigger picture.
We have no money to buy players.
We still have big debts that have to be paid.
FFP means we cannot buy anyone unless we sell first.
We have no money to dismiss Carlos and his staff.
Weather you love or loathe CC he ain't going anywhere for a long time. If he does leave don't expect a new manager to waltz in and get the cheque book out.
We are mid table and still financially afloat. We all want better but we don't always get what we want