14-09-2022, 09:55
Anybody know where my post went?
Pressed post and it disappeard.
Pressed post and it disappeard.
Big Bore Exhaust = Small Dick
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14-09-2022, 12:04
How would we know, given that we've never seen it?
How the hell did we win that with that reduced team on the pitch?
How the hell did we win that with that reduced team on the pitch?
14-09-2022, 12:17
(This post was last modified: 14-09-2022, 12:19 by Dancingwilldoit.)
Did a report and it just disappeard.
Was some game with 10 total warriors.
2 superb goals. Hears one.
https://twitter.com/spireitealex/status/...rqTIFVpwpA
They played out of their skins.
Best team performance I have ever seen.
All despite appalling officials.
Was some game with 10 total warriors.
2 superb goals. Hears one.
https://twitter.com/spireitealex/status/...rqTIFVpwpA
They played out of their skins.
Best team performance I have ever seen.
All despite appalling officials.
Big Bore Exhaust = Small Dick
At the risk of sounding like Miss Goody-Two-Shoes, surely one of the lessons of playing sport is to learn to take the rough with the smooth. If the referee is honest and makes his decisions to the best of his ability in an attempt to be fair to both teams then that is all we can, or even should, expect. There is nothing more certain than that the intense pressure of always being shown to be right will ensure that poor decisions are endemic. If we respected the ref', didn't question his every decision, and at the end of the game shook his hand and made it clear that without him there wouldn't have been a game at all I guarantee that his ability and that of his officials would improve exponentially. We get the refereeing we deserve. We all of us make it the way it is. And I'm guilty of it, too.
Where has our insistence that the decision has to be provably correct got us - to VAR that's where, and what is our reaction but to pillory the man interpreting VAR?
It sounds and looks as though our team last night did the right thing. Quite heroically they overcame misfortune. They didn't turn themselves into victims of cruel fate, they weren't rolling on the floor trying to convince a decent man they'd sustained a head injury, they scored two wonderful goals.
One lesson for us all - decisions can't always be right, but they can always be honest.
Where has our insistence that the decision has to be provably correct got us - to VAR that's where, and what is our reaction but to pillory the man interpreting VAR?
It sounds and looks as though our team last night did the right thing. Quite heroically they overcame misfortune. They didn't turn themselves into victims of cruel fate, they weren't rolling on the floor trying to convince a decent man they'd sustained a head injury, they scored two wonderful goals.
One lesson for us all - decisions can't always be right, but they can always be honest.
14-09-2022, 13:36
Can't really blame the ref but it was the 4th official who ran the game.
Big Bore Exhaust = Small Dick
14-09-2022, 16:50
They've all had to come through a school of hard knocks to reach even the National League. They'll all have been slagged off on parks pitches in Sunday League games for a season or two, before moving up to more senior football. It isn't the most rewarding thing to do either, but still they do it.
For sure they get stuff wrong. The 4th official for instance only runs a game if the ref' lets him, so that's a big mistake cos the ref' will carry most of that can.
Alan Shearer the other week complained about "an inexperienced official" taking a wrong steer from VAR. There is no such thing as an inexperienced official in the Premier League. He may not have had many run-ins with VAR, but he'll have refereed enough games to have seen most challenging situations before loads and loads of times. What he won't have had is everybody and his uncle publicly testifying to his idiocy after watching 27 replays in slo' mo'. And he won't have had a man who he knows and probably respects (cos they do) questioning his decision in the light of what is supposedly a clear and obvious error on his part!
You get a bloke like Martin Atkinson who retired before this season. He started refereeing when he was about 17. He retired I think at 51. All those years he did his best to be honest and fair. He should be a hero. We should be interviewing him. People in the street should be telling him he'd done well. Instead, he disappears into a football backroom job. No doubt it's a nice little earner, but we'll forget him and his contribution, just as we did every Saturday when he failed to make a controversial decision and didn't get his knowledge of the laws of the game questioned by an ex-player reading from a cue card. And there are others who never referee beyond the local football level, because that is where their heart lies. They are unambitious, but they love the game. They turn out in all weathers and endure the never-ending insults. I couldn't begin to do it.
That's why I say, just get on with playing the game. When the final whistle comes, give the man a pat on the back and thank him. You'll see a smile all the way across his face and like you he'll hardly be able to wait for the next game. And he'll be better, the game will be better, and you'll feel good about yourself for once too!
For sure they get stuff wrong. The 4th official for instance only runs a game if the ref' lets him, so that's a big mistake cos the ref' will carry most of that can.
Alan Shearer the other week complained about "an inexperienced official" taking a wrong steer from VAR. There is no such thing as an inexperienced official in the Premier League. He may not have had many run-ins with VAR, but he'll have refereed enough games to have seen most challenging situations before loads and loads of times. What he won't have had is everybody and his uncle publicly testifying to his idiocy after watching 27 replays in slo' mo'. And he won't have had a man who he knows and probably respects (cos they do) questioning his decision in the light of what is supposedly a clear and obvious error on his part!
You get a bloke like Martin Atkinson who retired before this season. He started refereeing when he was about 17. He retired I think at 51. All those years he did his best to be honest and fair. He should be a hero. We should be interviewing him. People in the street should be telling him he'd done well. Instead, he disappears into a football backroom job. No doubt it's a nice little earner, but we'll forget him and his contribution, just as we did every Saturday when he failed to make a controversial decision and didn't get his knowledge of the laws of the game questioned by an ex-player reading from a cue card. And there are others who never referee beyond the local football level, because that is where their heart lies. They are unambitious, but they love the game. They turn out in all weathers and endure the never-ending insults. I couldn't begin to do it.
That's why I say, just get on with playing the game. When the final whistle comes, give the man a pat on the back and thank him. You'll see a smile all the way across his face and like you he'll hardly be able to wait for the next game. And he'll be better, the game will be better, and you'll feel good about yourself for once too!
14-09-2022, 17:13
(14-09-2022, 09:55)Dancingwilldoit Wrote: Anybody know where my post went?
Pressed post and it disappeard.
It's been a problem for a while. Not a big problem, but it has been reported on probably four or five occasions in the last year or so of people posting a comment and it disappearing without trace.
Problem was reported to Stairs but he couldn't find anything wrong. Annoying but not much we can do.
There's nothing in the mod thread to say it's been deleted.
Let us know if it happens again.
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15-09-2022, 09:50
(This post was last modified: 15-09-2022, 09:51 by SaltergateBorn.)
In an ideal world, Dev, you`re absolutely right. I for one would love to see the game go back to those Corinthian values of players respecting each other and the officials, calling fouls on themselves when they knew they`d committed one - there are still vestiges of them in some sports - but the truth is that as things stand it`s not gonna happen, sadly. Nowadays, we live in the age of instant and numerous replays, multi camera angles, punditry and tv/press-inspired controversy (and where it doesn’t exist, they`ll do their damnedest to create it).
To my thinking, the solution lies with the game`s administrators. Players, coaches and managers aren`t going to do it off their own bat. They`re under pressure to get results at all costs - their jobs depend on it – so they`re going to push the envelope as far as they can. For example, some years ago the authorities brought in a rule whereby any backchat to the officials after a free-kick was awarded resulted in said free-kick being moved forward 10 yards; after a while, it was quietly withdrawn because it wasn`t ‘being effective’. The rule wasn`t being effective because it wasn`t being enforced! Why not?
I`ve always been struck by the difference between football and rugby of both codes. There, this rule has existed and been applied very successfully for years. It used to be the case – I think it still is – that the only player allowed to approach the referee was the team captain. Anybody else was told in no uncertain terms to go away and any player who refused or any repeat offender would end up in the sin-bin for 10 minutes. Why can`t this apply in football? Am I the only one to get completely turned off by the sight of a player or players running up to the referee waving their arms about trying to get another player booked or sent off? Just like a succession of players going down with ‘cramp’ (yeah, right) in the last 10 minutes when their team`s ahead, it could be stopped very quickly if the authorities had the will to do it. Unfortunately, they haven`t.
To my thinking, the solution lies with the game`s administrators. Players, coaches and managers aren`t going to do it off their own bat. They`re under pressure to get results at all costs - their jobs depend on it – so they`re going to push the envelope as far as they can. For example, some years ago the authorities brought in a rule whereby any backchat to the officials after a free-kick was awarded resulted in said free-kick being moved forward 10 yards; after a while, it was quietly withdrawn because it wasn`t ‘being effective’. The rule wasn`t being effective because it wasn`t being enforced! Why not?
I`ve always been struck by the difference between football and rugby of both codes. There, this rule has existed and been applied very successfully for years. It used to be the case – I think it still is – that the only player allowed to approach the referee was the team captain. Anybody else was told in no uncertain terms to go away and any player who refused or any repeat offender would end up in the sin-bin for 10 minutes. Why can`t this apply in football? Am I the only one to get completely turned off by the sight of a player or players running up to the referee waving their arms about trying to get another player booked or sent off? Just like a succession of players going down with ‘cramp’ (yeah, right) in the last 10 minutes when their team`s ahead, it could be stopped very quickly if the authorities had the will to do it. Unfortunately, they haven`t.
15-09-2022, 18:32
Ollie Pope, England's Test Batsman. explains how he used to be terrified of making a mistake, getting out, and taking loads of criticism for the way he batted for England. The new coach set him free, banished his fears and now he plays with freedom and is in the runs. That is how it must be for referees, under scrutiny every single week in a wholly negative fashion. In a fast and confusing game can you blame them if occasionally they freeze in the headlights and either get it wrong, or remain extremely suggestible as to what they actually saw? They are forced to watch it from perhaps a new angle on a monitor and it looks very little like their memory from a few moments ago. An apparent friend in their ear suggests perhaps they should change their mind. Watched by 40,000 people, the man in charge, everyone holding their breath ....... are we surprised he succumbs? Why don't we just get on and water-board him?
SUGGESTIONS:-
Starters, the penalty for Simulation is too great, so refs don't often apply it. No booking, no sending off, we need sin bins, off for 15 minutes on the spot. Refs would call it and diving would stop in a month.
On Health Grounds - Breaks for potential head injuries ....... any player treated for a head injury should have to go off for 10 minutes for treatment and assessment before returning - that would stop the fakers who'd had a slight knock, been brushed by an arm or caught a ball in the tab .... and it would catch those who are really hurt and begin to feel nauseous or suffer delayed double-vision.
Cramp - wait for a natural break in play, his team to kick it out, game never to be stopped by the ref', after all you only need to stamp your foot to reduce cramp.
Holding the ball by the corner flag in the dying minutes - Ungentlemanly conduct, free kick to the opposition to be taken from the halfway line.
SUGGESTIONS:-
Starters, the penalty for Simulation is too great, so refs don't often apply it. No booking, no sending off, we need sin bins, off for 15 minutes on the spot. Refs would call it and diving would stop in a month.
On Health Grounds - Breaks for potential head injuries ....... any player treated for a head injury should have to go off for 10 minutes for treatment and assessment before returning - that would stop the fakers who'd had a slight knock, been brushed by an arm or caught a ball in the tab .... and it would catch those who are really hurt and begin to feel nauseous or suffer delayed double-vision.
Cramp - wait for a natural break in play, his team to kick it out, game never to be stopped by the ref', after all you only need to stamp your foot to reduce cramp.
Holding the ball by the corner flag in the dying minutes - Ungentlemanly conduct, free kick to the opposition to be taken from the halfway line.
16-09-2022, 12:46
According to the DT website, it sounds as though Ollie Banks`s red card may have been rescinded. Good news, if true.
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