[theo_luddite]

DC on Radio Local post-match

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p07zb236

Otherwise nowt much to add to Snoots's comments. Defending was appalling today, particularly the 2nd half.

[Lord Snooty]

Apparently Hogg is available for Saturday. Due to a recent rule change he has to miss two League games and not the FA Cup.

[jjamez]

We just got bullied and then we got rattled into not even trying to play football.

One of the 1st things you are told as a junior is don't let the ball bounce. If Stank had even just headed it straight up or out of play, it gives the team chance to regroup.

Grabs has been watching the best of neuer and forgot that he isn't neuer nor is he playing fifa.

All in all it was embarrassing and we desperately need new options, better options in the squad, over the last 4 games if you'd said we'd have got 6 points you'd want it to be from the boro and Stoke game as they are the teams around us and would put us further away from danger.

Typically being town we get zilch from those games and put no space between us and the drop

[WakeyTerrier]

What can I say, Stoke thoroughly deserved the win even though we somehow managed to take a 2-1 lead.

Where did it all go wrong, well for me it’s starts with a foul on Karlan Grant towards the halfway line, Grant wins the free kick and goes on to throw all his toys out of the pram and throwing his arms around at the ref like a spoilt brat, yellow card and rightly so. From that point on the team lost the plot completely, we let stoke and the ref wind us up instead of concentrating on the football. Not long after Hogg goes down looking for a foul although it’s all a bit soft..one of those where footballers get a slight touch and expect a free kick and the opportunity fans call them soft but usually the ref falls for it...bang 2-2 and the rest is history.

As for the morons giving out sectarian abuse to McClean, i hope we use CCTV footage and ban every single one of them..absolute weapons the job lot of them, they give our club a bad name and should be ashamed of themselves.

[theo_luddite]

Highlights .... or the New Years Day Nightmare

for the squeamish - you can stop it playing after 45 seconds.

[jjamez]

Or don't play it at all

[Lord Snooty]

Apparently Barnsley have been charged with discriminatory chanting at McLean on Remembrance Day.
So we should know soon enough the size of fine coming our way.

[theo_luddite]

Not aimed at anyone on here, but some who might read this please take note.

If you don't agree with what this lad says or does (or doesn't do) there are plenty of ways of expressing that, in or out of a football stadium, without singing anything that can be construed as being racist, or otherwise give him cause to complain to the referee during a game, which he now does regularly, and/or in some of your eyes 'lets him play it all up'.

Ultimately it will cause the club problems and they will have to find ways to prevent those problems happening again.

'Gawd nose' some Town fans wound Alex  Bruce up in the past relentlessly to the point he totally lost the plot in one game, all because his father is seen as the master of our financial downfall when he was our Manager. But he still had the balls to play for us later and do a decent job.

Not saying this lad would or that we would either, but what would happen if we did sign him from Stoke? Would a significant chunk of the 'singing end' not turn up anymore? Or would the dumb, rather than the clever, still make their voice heard in unacceptable ways and cause the club more problems?

He's as much entitled to his opinion as you and me given where he is from.

No I don't sympathise with anyone that thinks bombs and bullets solve anything before anyone starts on that line.

There are others that make, or have made, choices on other people's lives, whether or not they are guilty of something in their own little world or tiny minds, that aren't and they are the ones you should really be having a go at. I guess because they don't play football every weekend it's not as easy to do, is it?

Some of them are on TV and Twitter as examples, regularly.

There's loads of foreign players who could equally question why they have to wear a shirt with a poppy on it, but don't. It's their choice. My former German boss once wondered why I wore one every year when he came over for meetings in November. What would your explanation be? Mine was not based on two world wars and one world cup, but I know a few who would have answered that way.

[Lord Snooty]

The FA must take some of the blame for this situation. This remembrance thing is getting way too big now. Back in the day, football matches had a minutes silence on the Saturday before Remembrance Sunday and nothing else. Town had our remembrance match 3 weeks before Nov 11th this year.
Then there's people being made to wear a poppy on tv. The dancers on Strictly all have to have a poppy on display, even when training. Wearing a poppy has never, and should never be compulsory. So when someone who doesn't wear one, he or she shouldn't have to come under such scrutiny that situations like this occur.
It all makes money for the Royal British Legion though, which can't be a bad thing. But it shouldn't be down to them. There are so many ex soldiers living rough now that it's a national disgrace. The government send these men and boys, women and girls to war, it should be their job to look after them.

[hibeejim21]

The players made it clear he has no problem with the poppy if it's to mark world wars, but he can't do it as it's been expanded to cover all conflicts....including one where the British army opened fire on civilians from his community.

LS is right about the 'poppy porn' that's been allowed to develop for commercial and political reasons. I've always felt a football ground isn't the right place for remembrance anyway.

The FA are absolutely right to try and stop the abuse the lads getting, it's becoming embarrassing. Wish the SFA would start taking a similar stand on anti-irish racism.