[Stairs]

3 corners 3 goals. A week on the training ground (no months) and that happens - the coach is there to hone the skills of the players throughout the week.

Players are to blame but the coach is ultimately responsible!

[tidy]

A few people clutching at straws here trying to make some kind of tenuous link to it being Irvine's fault.

Can I just ask, does anyone know who, at the club, thought Brown Ideye was a £10m player?

[WBA-Josh]

I think it was Irvine or Burton that said the club had been watching Ideye for some time. That means either Ashworth identified him a few years ago and his findings were kept or Garlick identified him during his time in charge of recruitment.

I still think Ideye will come good. He is currently lacking confidence in front of goal which every striker needs but the other aspects of his game are improving as each game goes on such as his movement off the ball. That movement created the space for Varela and Sessegnon to create our second goal.

[talkSAFT]

3 corners 3 goals. A week on the training ground (no months) and that happens - the coach is there to hone the skills of the players throughout the week.

Players are to blame but the coach is ultimately responsible!

I know, Stairs, but we've been so good at defending corners recently that it makes you wonder how come the concentration mysteriously disappeared. It's alright drilling them on the training-ground, and that might be Irvine's forte, but he must have torn his grey hair out yesterday.

Can I just ask, does anyone know who, at the club, thought Brown Ideye was a £10m player?

A very serious error of judgement! £10m is more than a year's season ticket revenue, and Irvine's only playing him to keep the fans happy. From what I've seen I'd rather have Samaras.

[Ska'dForLife-WBA]

Confidence is one thing, but some of Ideye's decisions when the ball comes to him fly in the face of what would be instinct to most strikers. Take yesterday, when he had a low cross to his feet with immense power on it; a ball with that much pace just needs a touch of the instep to turn it onto target and you've got a damn good chance of scoring, but he put his foot through it and blazed it. It's like he's trying to run before he can walk.

Averaging a goal every two games in France, Switzerland and Ukraine suggests he's no donkey, and a player with that record should be capable of reaching ten in a Prem season, but he needs to get back to basics.

[WBA-Josh]

I think that he is so desperate to get his first Premiership goal and to justify his price tag to everyone that he isn't thinking as clearly as he would normally do when he has a chance to score. That results in his miss yesterday and his miss last weekend, both of which he would have buried during his time at Dynamo Kyiv.

Just like any struggling club under new management, he does need to get back to basics and start taking the easy option when he is in front of goal. Ultimately he just needs 1 league goal to start him off and when he eventually gets it, hopefully he won't get injured because of it like he did in the Cup.

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I am currently watching Saint Étienne play on BT Sport and Ricky van Wolfswinkel, who had a torrid time at Norwich last season, has just scored his 6th goal of the season (5th league goal) and is now looking good.

He had a tough start in France just like Ideye is having with us right now but the Saint Étienne coach Christophe Galtier stuck by him and put a lot of faith in him. His first goal for the club came in his 7th league appearance when his shot was pushed onto the post by the keeper, the ball rolled along the goal line, hit the other post and then went in. That bit of good fortune is what Ideye needs to get off the mark.

[Amelia Chaffinch]

Started Brummie Road. Just on 3% atm. I'm getting straight into it which is a good sign!

[BBB]

Started Brummie Road. Just on 3% atm. I'm getting straight into it which is a good sign!

I've started the #Worst of the Baggies# and predict it to be at least 800 pages long, give or take a 100 pages.

BBB

[Slick_Footwork]

There's a couple of problems with giving Ideye time...

A) In this system, that time comes at the expense of Saido Berahino. Argubly one of our best players.
B) Lose against your rivals and you're heading for the Championship.

In Saido we know we have a player who has the capability of scoring double figures in this league. He's strong, 2 footed, has good touch, makes great runs and creates something out of nothing.

Against Villa he came on and created the goal and yesterday nearly salvaged something out of nothing too.

I still haven't found a 'logical' reason why he was dropped. Even though nobody is saying it, I can't help thinking the lad is off in January. I wouldn't blame him when he's being left out after having one quiet game (against West Ham) when there's players picked every week who have probably had 1 or 2 good games all season.

Ideye looks like a weak donkey. He doesn't challenge, doesn't protect the ball, has the first touch of someone who should be playing on a Sunday morning. He might come good but Berahino has to start in front of him. If Ideye needs to be 'blooded', then that time should come from the bench.

As for Samaras, he must be wondering why he came here. A winger with some genuine pace and threat on the break who isn't good enough for the bench of a team containing the likes of Dorrans. Yet more proof Irvine doesn't have a clue.

[Beefy 1965]

Good points slick