[WBA-Josh]

I hate the Premier League and I won't lose sleep if we do go down this season but the only worry I have about relegation is the club falling through the trap door into League One.

Let's be honest, our club is a shambles on and off the pitch. The owner is never seen, the chairman and his team have shown extreme levels of incompetence and the playing staff is old, of average quality and on high wages. Clubs who get relegated in similar disarray to us usually either suffer double relegation (Wolves) or stagnate in the lower reaches of the Championship before suffering relegation (Bolton, Blackburn and Wigan). I really don't want to see WBA follow the same way.

[4evaabaggie]

Tidy, good comparison but I would say ours was still more difficult because:-

1. We played two games in three days, three games in seven days.
2. We had a good go at Arsenal ..... if we had a goal scorer would have won? Didn't watch only read text commentary / stats.
3. We played at home then we travelled down to London

West Ham played:-
1. Two games in nine days or three games in ten days if you go back one day further to boxing day.
2. They didn't really play against us, scoring twice as we tried. Again convert our first half chances different result
3. They played at home (in London) and then travelled to ........ London., like us going to the custard bowl.

Not excuses ....... the game is lost and now we move on but ......... just food for thought

[drewks]

Tidy, good comparison but I would say ours was still more difficult because:-

1. We played two games in three days, three games in seven days.
2. We had a good go at Arsenal ..... if we had a goal scorer would have won? Didn't watch only read text commentary / stats.
3. We played at home then we travelled down to London

West Ham played:-
1. Two games in nine days or three games in ten days if you go back one day further to boxing day.
2. They didn't really play against us, scoring twice as we tried. Again convert our first half chances different result
3. They played at home (in London) and then travelled to ........ London., like us going to the custard bowl.

Not excuses ....... the game is lost and now we move on but ......... just food for thought

....also Wet Sham were playing against another team who had played only 2 days before, so that was effectively cancelled out

[valpayne]

thanks for the insult talk saft I'll remember that personal attack for as long as I live How about i insult you for your opinions. Im not blind mate I can see clearly were not winning games still despite the change in manager and style losing is losing and were now getting cut adrift. I can see were going down and I don't need a crystal ball to see that.

A bit precious, Val.

Yes TS I am precious and if you're a reasonable person please allow me to retort... firstly I have a very close friend who has glaucoma and could lose her sight in the near future. She is terrified about that prospect and the routine she has to go through every day to be able to hang on to her eyesight is pretty stressful and uncomfortable as well as time consuming, secondly my father has just been through invasive eye surgery that hasn't really worked so I have to read things to him now which stresses him out and makes him miserable and is very upsetting to witness I could elaborate on this but I don't have the time or energy. My point being just because all we see on this forum is letters and numbers typed out doesn't mean there isn't a person behind all of us with their feelings and life's issues and dishing out personal insults to each other
over social media just happens to stick in my claw and I don't appreciate being called F***** blind because I was angry and miserable about the continuation of our results emulating those under TP. Yes the football has changed a bit but were still losing to those in and around us stoke west ham swansea and last night in particular was my personal breaking point. Somethings wrong at our club and AP cannot seem to produce what the likes of allardyce moyes and hodgson have started to do at their respective clubs and somehow i don't see us attracting anyone that's going to sign for a club that's sinking like a stone especially in January We all know proven strikers are like gold dust so I don't share the enthusiasm of others that believe we will attract that calibre of player in our current position in January? Does anyone truly believe we will do that and reach 40  points given the way things are with this management set up and group of players? Sorry but i don't and that really is what I believe.

Not sure how anyone was supposed to know about your friend's and Fathers condition. Back to football. Did you really expect to rock up at another prem club and take away 3pts just because we need them? West Ham need points as much as we do and they were the home team. Expect them to roll over or are you suggesting that we should be beating the likes of West Ham at their place?

My dear tidy I dont expect anyone to have known those things and that wasn't my point I was simply pointing out that we are all people with feelings and I don't like being insulted on a forum just because its a forum cos I guarantee that at 6'6" stepping of a big black feckin motorcycle wearing black leather from head to foot not many people would call me blind lol!

[talkSAFT]

My dear tidy I dont expect anyone to have known those things and that wasn't my point I was simply pointing out that we are all people with feelings and I don't like being insulted on a forum just because its a forum cos I guarantee that at 6'6" stepping of a big black feckin motorcycle wearing black leather from head to foot not many people would call me blind lol!

Altogether now:

"Y-M-C-A"

[valpayne]

Hey talk daft that is your name isn’t it il welcome you to my ymca anytime you want you can serve the babycham

[silverbaggie]

Oh Dear shades of furrymouse again.

Time to kiss and make up.

We all want to see our Club recover from this situation before everything finally goes tits up.

I also agree with the sentiment that life might be more to our liking in the Championship. At least it's a relatively level playing field down there.
The main disadvantage is the loss of finances and our ability to attract the players that might take us back up again.

I recently read somewhere that the Championship is the third best supported league in Europe behind only the Prem and La Liga. (spelling?).

Interesting that its better attended than the top leagues in Italy and Germany.

ANYWAY, LIGHTEN UP YOU TWO, LIFE'S TO BL***Y SHORT.

[valpayne]

It’s all good SB TS and I just exchanging a bit of light hearted banter all here for the same cause eh. Speaking of which did anyone catch the Adrian chiles program last night? About the black vs white football match set up by wba featuring Cyrille Laurie Brendan and many many more from that era. Brilliant documentary ??

[St Charles Owl]

Oh Dear shades of furrymouse again.

Time to kiss and make up.

We all want to see our Club recover from this situation before everything finally goes tits up.

I also agree with the sentiment that life might be more to our liking in the Championship. At least it's a relatively level playing field down there.
The main disadvantage is the loss of finances and our ability to attract the players that might take us back up again.

I recently read somewhere that the Championship is the third best supported league in Europe behind only the Prem and La Liga. (spelling?).

Interesting that its better attended than the top leagues in Italy and Germany.

ANYWAY, LIGHTEN UP YOU TWO, LIFE'S TO BL***Y SHORT.

Silver, please don't let yourself down with statements like the one I have highlighted!!!! The Championship might be a level playing field for those teams who haven't been in the prem for a few years, but the 3 relegated teams get a massive advantage for failing in the Prem in the form of parachute payments!! For the first season following relegation you would get 50m quid and over 4 years somewhere in the region of 100m!!! That is on top of the money you will geet from normal club activities. On the other hand we will only get a couple of million from the tv deal!!! The parachute payments you would get would be double our total revenue!!!!

So while I get it can be tough for Prem teams to adjust and get rid of the expensive deadwood, lets not claim you will be on a level playing field with other clubs of a similar size who are not paid for failure!!

[silverbaggie]

St. Charles Owl   "Let myself down" you say.

Please re-read the sentence that gives you so much concern.

If you look carefully you will see that I used the word relatively (as in comparison with).

I did NOT suggest that it was a COMPLETELY level playing field; just that you are unlikely to find Clubs who can afford to pay £50M+ for one player and are one of only six Clubs who have any realistic chance of silverware.

IMO there is unlikely to be parity at any level even down in Division 2 where I follow the fortunes of Cheltenham Town my now local Club.

The Robins can expect a gate of between 2500 and say 2800 home supporters for any one home game with perhaps 200 or so away supporters making up the numbers. How can they possibly hope to compete against the likes of Portsmouth, Blackpool or Plymouth Argyle who have a much larger fan base and a stadium to match.

No-one ever said that life was fair but at least in playing terms you can hope and expect your Club to at least give a good account of themselves in the lower divisions.

Play in the Premiership and you know in advance that there are at least a dozen games that you cannot possibly hope to win.

I will not comment on whether Match Officials are always even handed when you are up against one of the Big Boys.