Poll: What should happen to SG?
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Sack him now
60.00%
9 60.00%
Give him a few games
33.33%
5 33.33%
Give him through the January window
6.67%
1 6.67%
Keep him until end of season at least
0%
0 0%
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Should SG Keep His Job
#11
(16-11-2014, 14:24)Devongone Wrote: A ridiculously high percentage of football managers who are sacked NEVER get the chance to try again elsewhere, yet football fans tend to discuss their potential demise with all the empathy you'd display when fetching the Raid to a bluebottle.

I'm not getting at Wednesday here, but the game is a disaster in terms of management. People are thrust into a position in which generally they have little or no experience, and if they fail, or become unpopular, or say the wrong thing, or fail to become the equivalent of the Chairman's favourite son, they are on their way. Hopefully during freefall they can grab hold of a coaching post to slow their plummet to earth ...... but some are never sighted again. And all too often their demise is heightened by panic-stricken fans for whom the grass is mostly greener.

How bad would it be if Wednesday went down again for a season? You'd recover. How likely does a play-off place look to any of you, even if you ditch your manager? Most people would look at your club and think it ought to be in the Premiership, but I haven't heard anyone say anything like that about individual players, or your current team.

You might dream of a Brian Clough coming in and transforming a powderpuff midfielder into an all-action tackling demon, but it's comic book stuff. In reality a new manager is going to need a bit of time to transform you. Change now, tempt your new manager to dive through the January window and you'll probably pull out a few misfits everyone else has been glad to see the back of ...... If you survive in the Championship you'll be starting a new season with lingering dissatisfaction, manager the equivalent of Judy Murray on Strictly.

Hang on, see what happens. If you've just somehow achieved safety towards the end of the season, or are already doomed that's the time to contemplate change. Get a new man or woman, white or black who has done the job before, and let them start when maybe they can see the wood for the trees. And maybe follow a plan rather than the random select button.

Whilst you make a number of good points generally, you haven't addressed the one specific problem relating to Wednesday. That is that SG isn't good enough to be a manager & shouldn't have been appointed in the first place. His previous track record was poor and although he had an initial impact, results always nosedived after a couple of months.

Changing managers is a costly process. Not the cost of payoffs but the cost of getting rid of all the previous manager's players & bringing in a new set of players. Teams that have the fewest managerial changes progress the most. The key for us is finding the right man & sticking with him.

(16-11-2014, 15:20)Thurnscoe_OWL Wrote: We're not doomed. We're stuck in a rut but are mid table, comfortably.

There are definitely at least 3 teams worse than us (Blackpool, Birmingham, Brighton and I bet Toy Town are down there come the end of the season).

Like I say, a couple of wins over the next few weeks and we're looking up again, no wins and we're sucked into a relegation battle

A month ago we were ten points above the relegation zone We are five points above relegation now. Another month and I suspect we will be in the bottom six.
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#12
I refer you to my signature Cool
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and complicated
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#13
(16-11-2014, 23:00)Maddix Wrote: I refer you to my signature  Cool

Hard to argue with a persons signature Big Grin
Removed until we're actually on our way back  Doh
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#14
MM will hang on to him until the New Year when we'll be in the bottom 3. Then he'll get rid. Meanwhile, the season will be shot - yet again. Disagree with devon gone. Another season in pub league wouldn't hurt us? Get real.
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#15
Get rid, isn't good enough now and never was !! There was always going to be an upturn in results when he got the job as is what happens in most cases. He sets us up not to lose games, never to go out and win them.
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(17-11-2014, 15:11)Towinjustonce Wrote: Get rid, isn't good enough now and never was !! There was always going to be an  upturn in results when he got the job as is what happens in most cases. He sets us up not to lose games, never to go out and win them.

Statistically, the upturn is down to a manager departing rather than a new manager taking over. The upturn still happens even if no-one takes over. On average, the upturn last for between 6 & 12 matches so it is worthwhile to sack a manager if you are on the cusp of relegation with 12 matches to go.

Overall, changing the manager is costly because the new manager (if he is any good) will want his own coaches & his own players so it means getting rid of the present squad for practically nothing & paying to bring in a squad of similar standard.

MM could do a lot worse than read the book, Soccernomics, which gives the blueprint for how to build a club so that it punches well above its weight for several seasons as Dortmund have in Germany & Lyon in France. It takes courage & long term planning but it is the only way that Wednesday will ever make the top half of the PL again.

SG cannot do it because he is wedlocked to 442.
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#17
Only 11 people have voted in the poll?????
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#18
More will vote once we get a match thread up for our next game and the international break is over.
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#19
Think the next few games will make or break SG. We need loan signings but nothing has happened as yet
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#20
All the signings in the world won't save SG. They might give him extra time but bad tactics, infexible formations & poor substitutions will get him the sack eventually.
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