[St Charles Owl]

Probably a fair result in the end although our equalizer was out of the blue.

Disagree, we dominated the second half and had an equal share of the first!! Stupid defending cost us the early goal, after which they created only a couple of decent chances. Better crossing and better finishing would have seen us take all three points!!

[Owlkev71]

Dominated Charlie?? Sunderland seemed comfortable until we scored, it was only after the goal that we looked like we might win.

[Maddix]

No Maddix, we need to play 433 going forward. This is two games on the trot when we have dominated playing that way!!  You can perm any three from the four strikers we have but we play best with that formation.

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The whole 4-4-f'ucking-2 business is what most of us saw as being the wrong way at the start of LAST season Chaz and the jackass' insistence on 4-4-2 is why lots of people are so f'ucking frustrated and want the idiot to go we have a squad that is made for that system (or 4-5-1) and should have been knocking on the door of auto last season and if not, pissing the PO's instead we endured a season of square pegs and dire football and a glorious opportunity pissed up the wall and this season will go the same way if it hasn't already

[St Charles Owl]

They had one attempt on target in the second half and hardly troubled Westwood. That game changed when Fletcher came on at HT, from that point on nearly all the attacking threat was from us. We ended up with 63% possession, 17 attempts to their 8 with 4 on target for us v 2 for them, so double the possession, attempts, shots on target and 3 times the corners. As i said, better final ball and better finishing would have seen us win easily.

[Imre varadi]

we are going to get xxxx mullered on saturday Fulham will be 3 up before HT !!

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and Rhodes missed yet another sitter by the way !! waste of feffing money Nuhui would have least headed the ball on target all be it to the keepers hands

[Owlkev71]

But that's how teams setup against us. They sit deep and lets us have the ball and play on the counter attack, we will have more possession and (probably) have more chances.

[Maddix]

They had one attempt on target in the second half and hardly troubled Westwood.  That game changed when Fletcher came on at HT, from that point on nearly all the attacking threat was from us.  We ended up with 63% possession, 17 attempts to their 8 with 4 on target for us v 2 for them, so double the possession, attempts, shots on target and 3 times the corners.  As i said, better final ball and better finishing would have seen us win easily.

Exactly Chaz. So why don't we start 4-3-3 with Fletch and be in front instead of chasing a point every week Only CC can answer that one

I still genuinely think that we will be dragged into the relegation scrap and any thought of auto will be gone by the international break. I hope I'm wrong.

[St Charles Owl]

All strikers miss sitters, Hooper also missed one tonight, but in the second half we finally at least gave the strikers some decent service, if we keep doing that then Fletcher, Hooper and especially Rhodes will score goals!! If we continue to starve them and only give them one or two chances per game like in the first half then they will struggle to score many at all.

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But that's how teams setup against us. They sit deep and lets us have the ball and play on the counter attack, we will have more possession and (probably) have more chances.

Fine, let teams set up that way. If we play like we did in the second half from the start then we will win far more games than we lose. We have to strikers to score goals, lets use them properly.

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Exactly Chaz. So why don't we start 4-3-3 with Fletch and be in front instead of chasing a point every week   Only CC can answer that one  

I still genuinely think that we will be dragged into the relegation scrap and any thought of auto will be gone by the international break. I hope I'm wrong.

Yes, only CC can make that choice. We used to play more 433 at home and 451 away from home, to great success, we need to get back to that. If as Kev says teams are happy to sit deep and let us come at them then fine, lets hit them with cross after cross and let our strikers do their job. I worry that CC won't change that but maybe with FF not being involved we can do this more often, he was the problem in a 433 because he wouldn't play on the left of a three and wanted to be a striker when we played 442, its time to stop building the formation around him and use what we have properly.

We won't be anywhere near the relegation places but its getting harder by the match if we truly have ambitions to be up near the top. I too hope you are wrong and I am right on this!!

[Maddix]

Fine, let teams set up that way.  If we play like we did in the second half from the start then we will win far more games than we lose.  We have to strikers to score goals, lets use them properly.

But we won't we will start 4-4-2 with CC's little boy scout club of favourites until his hand is forced when he's chasing a point or one of the balsa boy's is injured and he only has an hexagon left to fit the round hole

AND THAT IS THE POINT WE HAVE ALL BEEN MAKING SINCE THE HULL GAME

[Owlkev71]

Start with 433, we can only hope. I'm not expecting him to play it every game, but if you have several formations and varying tactics it will make opposition managers have to think when playing us.