[St Charles Owl]

https://www.yahoo.com/music/green-day-ch...55392.html

Just look at Green Days music number that they played at last night's Music Awards event - NO KKK, NO FASCISTS, NO TRUMP...... Brilliant!! And good Americans keep on 'stoking it up' and not wanting these kinda awful antagonistic people anywhere near governing their country, let alone having some negative impact on a global scale. Do Americans finally have to revolt to reverse a wrong that has been declared a right by the 'democracy do gooders'?? It was a democratic result and the old righteous line that suits the triumphant right wing backers (and other extreme ones too!) - lets abide by the democratic will of the people dohhhhhh!!! I wonder

There is only one way of "reversing the wrong" as you describe it, and its not a legal method, because that method does not exist!! The last time Americans revolted against their government it cost the equivalent of 6m lives in today's money, and no matter what trump does that is not an option!!! If he is that bad, he will last for 4 years, will get little pushed through and will be out of office and done in 2020!!

It was a democratic decision, whether you or I like it!! You refer to "good Americans", well I know plenty of good people who voted for him for many different reasons, that does not make them bad or racist by association!! And what makes you think the protesters are good people?? The ones who rioted in Oakland are not good people, the ones who loot are not good people, just like not all Trump supporters are bad people. Its the same twisted rhetoric we saw in the aftermath of Brexit, those who voted against staying are branded idiots as if there is some devine right to intelligence by those who voted remain, which by the way includes the current PM, someone you vilify at every opportunity!!

[0762]

It's called freedom of speech and if vilification is counted in that FOS, the same as the consistent bullying and antagonism that we witnessed in months n months of Trump's shit, divisive campaigning that somehow won over part of the American population, then fair enough! Members of my family, and many others, fought in past wars against bastards like Trump and his similar fascist views + the dark forces that seem to attach themselves to this type of demagogue like limpets!!! Many millions of decent Americans do indeed share that similar viewpoint, some more passionately than others!! Also retrospectively, what makes YOU think the protesters are bad people????????? Your references are little snap shots of events for one thing!!!! And don't forget, this incoming President elect actually said that he wouldn't accept the outcome of the final vote and referred to 'fixing' and all kindsa shit that IMO bordered on sedition AND IMPLICITLY ENCOURAGING CIVIL DISORDER!!! So cut the sanctimonious crap - it won't work!!!! That negative and highly questionable end of campaign comment tied in nicely with the whole of his negative campaign from start to finish! As for the FBI interference during a critical stage of the US election campaign???? Don't get me started on that criticism - shocking!!!!!!

[St Charles Owl]

Freedom of speech is still in place and being used rightly by many of the protesters. My point was that not all Trump supporters are racist bigots like him, nor are they "bad people", and not all of the protesters actually voted nor are they all "good people"!!! Its never one or the other, the bulk of things fall in the middle!!

As regards wars, I have no clue what you are suggesting??? What war have your family fought in that could be compared to this situation?? Are you seriously considering that the rest of the world should declare war on the US because Trump won the election?? If you are referring to WW2, then we didn't got to war with Hitler because he was a fascist nor because he was elected, we went to war with him because he invaded other countries!! Just because Trump said he might not accept the decision or that he suggested civil disorder does not mean we have to resort to those horrific tactics, two wrongs don't make a right!!

People will continue to protest as is their right but come January 20th Trump will be sworn in as President and there is no peaceful method that will stop that from happening.

[hibeejim21]

https://www.yahoo.com/music/green-day-ch...55392.html

Just look at Green Days music number that they played at last night's Music Awards event - NO KKK, NO FASCISTS, NO TRUMP...... Brilliant!! And good Americans keep on 'stoking it up' and not wanting these kinda awful antagonistic people anywhere near governing their country, let alone having some negative impact on a global scale. Do Americans finally have to revolt to reverse a wrong that has been declared a right by the 'democracy do gooders'?? It was a democratic result and the old righteous line that suits the triumphant right wing backers (and other extreme ones too!) - lets abide by the democratic will of the people dohhhhhh!!! I wonder

There is only one way of "reversing the wrong" as you describe it, and its not a legal method, because that method does not exist!!  The last time Americans revolted against their government it cost the equivalent of 6m lives in today's money, and no matter what trump does that is not an option!!!  If he is that bad, he will last for 4 years, will get little pushed through and will be out of office and done in 2020!!

It was a democratic decision, whether you or I like it!!  You refer to "good Americans", well I know plenty of good people who voted for him for many different reasons, that does not make them bad or racist by association!!  And what makes you think the protesters are good people??  The ones who rioted in Oakland are not good people, the ones who loot are not good people, just like not all Trump supporters are bad people.  Its the same twisted rhetoric we saw in the aftermath of Brexit, those who voted against staying are branded idiots as if there is some devine right to intelligence by those who voted remain, which by the way includes the current PM, someone you vilify at every opportunity!!

I didn't know our current PM supported remain. Can you point me to some instances of her actually doing this,or campaigning for this?

[St Charles Owl]

https://www.yahoo.com/music/green-day-ch...55392.html

Just look at Green Days music number that they played at last night's Music Awards event - NO KKK, NO FASCISTS, NO TRUMP...... Brilliant!! And good Americans keep on 'stoking it up' and not wanting these kinda awful antagonistic people anywhere near governing their country, let alone having some negative impact on a global scale. Do Americans finally have to revolt to reverse a wrong that has been declared a right by the 'democracy do gooders'?? It was a democratic result and the old righteous line that suits the triumphant right wing backers (and other extreme ones too!) - lets abide by the democratic will of the people dohhhhhh!!! I wonder

There is only one way of "reversing the wrong" as you describe it, and its not a legal method, because that method does not exist!!  The last time Americans revolted against their government it cost the equivalent of 6m lives in today's money, and no matter what trump does that is not an option!!!  If he is that bad, he will last for 4 years, will get little pushed through and will be out of office and done in 2020!!

It was a democratic decision, whether you or I like it!!  You refer to "good Americans", well I know plenty of good people who voted for him for many different reasons, that does not make them bad or racist by association!!  And what makes you think the protesters are good people??  The ones who rioted in Oakland are not good people, the ones who loot are not good people, just like not all Trump supporters are bad people.  Its the same twisted rhetoric we saw in the aftermath of Brexit, those who voted against staying are branded idiots as if there is some devine right to intelligence by those who voted remain, which by the way includes the current PM, someone you vilify at every opportunity!!

I didn't know our current PM supported remain.  Can you point me to some instances of her actually doing this,or campaigning for this?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/201...out-brexit

No idea how much she actually campaigned during the referendum.

[hibeejim21]

That was a secret audience with her banker chums.

I mean what she actually said to the british people during the referendum,and instances of her campaigning for remain.

[0762]

She didn't campaign and kept herself very much in the background!!  That fact was brought up on a number of occasions by some of her own Tory colleagues preceding the final run in to who gets the PM job 'through the back door'!! She's another Oxbridge PM, a career politician just like Cameron, who IMO is no different from him (another failed PM from the biased Oxbridge 'conveyor belt') and should've been nowhere near the PM's job - reminds me of another recent scenario elsewhere!!  2016: the year we lost some great entertainers and other reputable UK top people and endured a year of 'dark, dark politics'!! Of course Hibs won the Holy Grail, which brightened up this year quite a bit but these past 'dark events' have been 'sair tae bear' as many of my countrymen would say in a disgusted broad Scots accent!!

[St Charles Owl]

From what I remember she was roundly criticized, like a bunch of others including Corbyn, who didn't campaign enough or were not vigorous in their views or vigorous in their counter arguments against Farage and Boris!! I have no doubt she had one eye on the future so kept her gunpowder dry so to speak!!

Brexit was so like the US election, the joke campaign, but the one with the "characters", was the one the media seemed to focus on most of the time!! Trump, Farage and Boris have always been a good interview for the media, and the media obliged by giving all 3 of them a nice front and center platform to spout their crap!! Certainly the media on both sides over here are taking some flak over their "promotion" of everything Trump, maybe the UK media need to do the same. Obviously in this era of social media and fake news, being an idiot or bigot or even racist is not enough to prevent you from winning!!!

[0762]

Freedom of speech is still in place and being used rightly by many of the protesters.  My point was that not all Trump supporters are racist bigots like him, nor are they "bad people", and not all of the protesters actually voted nor are they all "good people"!!!  Its never one or the other, the bulk of things fall in the middle!!

As regards wars, I have no clue what you are suggesting???  What war have your family fought in that could be compared to this situation??  Are you seriously considering that the rest of the world should declare war on the US because Trump won the election??  If you are referring to WW2, then we didn't got to war with Hitler because he was a fascist nor because he was elected, we went to war with him because he invaded other countries!!  Just because Trump said he might not accept the decision or that he suggested civil disorder does not mean we have to resort to those horrific tactics, two wrongs don't make a right!!

People will continue to protest as is their right but come January 20th Trump will be sworn in as President and there is no peaceful method that will stop that from happening.

And four wasted years will ensue during a period where the USA needs a fascist RW authoritarian government like a 'hole in the head'. And by the way, I know the reasons behind the war on Hitler from 1939 (invasion of Poland) onwards dohhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!! I don't need a history lesson thanks very much and as for your inadvertent assumption to declare war on the USA? Ehhhhh????? How TF did you dream that up?? Mussolini, also one of Hitler's allies, was a fascist and so was General Franco - I won't bore you with further personal details/elaboration but many people died fighting against these extreme politics and the bullies/dictators who preached their shit!! As Jim commented in a previous thread - Trump is a f###### imbecile, prob an actor and a dangerous man with fascist beliefs and tendencies. I'll worry when he marries up with the US armaments providers like the Rockefellers and wonder how the #### you ever ended up with another poor but dangerous American president who is full of shit and false promises. I hope Green Days dedicate a song to him with that specific title: False Promises!! The main point re fascism is that we've previously suffered from and many have fought against this poisonous philosophy in the past - AS HUMAN BEINGS WE JUST NEVER SEEM TO LEARN FROM PAST LESSONS/CONFLICT AND THE MORE WORRYING ASPECT IS THE FACT THAT THESE PEOPLE NEVER SEEM TO DISAPPEAR!! However, I always regarded a fascist presence in a positive sense - swamped by the greater good and normally rendered ineffective and insignificant! I wonder if that regard is really gonna be sorely tested in the coming years based on the 'dark politics' that I've witnessed during the year 2016?

[hibeejim21]

So there is very little to no proof at all she actively supported or campaigned for remain. Theresa may didn't support remain,far from it. She behaved like the deceitful snake that she is.

Corbyn on the other hand for all his faults was honest about his euroscepticism but still campaigned to stay in for the greater benefit. There is no comparison with him and may.