[bluepooch]

Dont get me going on this subject .If MPs vote against the will of their members they should be de-selected.

[St Charles Owl]

Bluepooch, I could get you going on but while on the whole I would prefer we stay in I think the referendum result needs to be respected by MPs or else what is the point of a democratic process in the first place??

[Devongone]

Oh do get going Pooch ........

The give-away is that there is simply no point in knowing what the government would like for breakfast, oh that's what brexit looks like isn't it?

We joined this ludicrous club, that you have to negotiate your way out of (Guantanamo Bay and Alcatraz come to mind), whose structures are so arcane it takes seven years to negotiate a deal with friendly Canada ....... and Remainers say we MUST know what it'll look like afterwards. Somewhere between Aleppo and Utopia is the answer. Even if we provided a War and Peace length treatise of our aims, we've got the combined grievances and inconsistencies of 27 bureaucratically-inclined countries and their sinecure politicians to cope with. If they can even get themselves together to decide what language the talks will be in within the alloted 2 years when 50 is triggered that will be their opinion of moving fast.

The Remainers are suffering from chronic Stockholm Syndrome. Even though I wanted to leave and voted for it I've never been convinced we'd achieve it. Nobody has used Article 50 before, we'll be negotiating with the same people who gave Cameroon nothing when he smarmed across Europe ....... Of course this is another attempt to make it impossible to leave. I don't know the will of the people - about 30% have no idea what is going on ......

St Charles Owl asked the wisest question of all time - "what is the point of a democratic process in the first place??" My answer is the reason I'm not a democrat, but you are not really allowed to say that are you?

[spireitematt]

Parliament voted on a referendum and they lost 6 to 1. They held the referendum and the majority didn't get the result they wanted but they can't turn around now and vote down triggering article 50 as the whole exercise then was a waste of time and money and would go against democracy. If we have another referendum it will be the third referendum on this subject not the second as the first was in 1975, but we can't keep having referendum after referendum until they get the result they want because that's undemocratic and it's what the European Union did to Ireland on the Lisbon treaty asking them to keep voting till the European Union got the result they were happy with. I didn't vote for this Government does that mean I can have another ballot? and we rerun it?

If the MPs go against the public and the result of the referendum then when there is another general election (which looks very soon) they will not bother voting.

[Devongone]

The words "I respect the result of the referendum", seem, by some quirk of language, also capable of meaning, "We should find innovative ways of ignoring it, even if it means having another one."

[Dancingwilldoit]

Matt, There wont be an election anytime soon and if there was what would change? Do you honestly think the result would mean anything other than a Tory government? May may or may not be everybody's choice but at least she is making the right noises and getting on with it. I wanted to stay in for many reasons both personal and business. Am just back from a sabbatical in Spain where life is as it should be, relaxing, laid back, time to enjoy, traditional family values. Unfortunately us Brits don't do the enjoying life bit. We would rather whinge and moan and get ourselves wound up continually over bog all.
Whilst I was out there their was a big vote in the Spanish parliament. What was surprising was the reaction of the locals. The majority seemed to be of the opinion it mattered bog all because if Mr Trump wins his little spat with the rest of USA we all wont be here much longer. They probably have the right attitude. Article 30 or Chapter 21 what does it matter. Unless you can afford a Virgin flight to outer space we will probably all get the fall out sooner or later.
Incidentally, business has picked up again to the level it was before the vote. We had a hairy 3 or 4 months of it but there still isn't the longer term confidence around. Am now taking the Spanish attitude - live life for today, non of us may be here tomorrow, plenty of cheap Spanish booze will make it all that much sweeter.

[spireitematt]

Matt, There wont be an election anytime soon and if there was what would change? Do you honestly think the result would mean anything other than a Tory government? May may or may not be everybody's choice but at least she is making the right noises and getting on with it. I wanted to stay in for many reasons both personal and business. Am just back from a sabbatical in Spain where life is as it should be, relaxing, laid back, time to enjoy, traditional family values. Unfortunately us Brits don't do the enjoying life bit. We would rather whinge and moan and get ourselves wound up continually over bog all.
Whilst I was out there their was a big vote in the Spanish parliament. What was surprising was the reaction of the locals. The majority seemed to be of the opinion it mattered bog all because if Mr Trump wins his little spat with the rest of USA we all wont be here much longer. They probably have the right attitude. Article 30 or Chapter 21 what does it matter. Unless you can afford a Virgin flight to outer space we will probably all get the fall out sooner or later.
Incidentally, business has picked up again to the level it was before the vote. We had a hairy 3 or 4 months of it but there still isn't the longer term confidence around. Am now taking the Spanish attitude - live life for today, non of us may be here tomorrow, plenty of cheap Spanish booze will make it all that much sweeter.

I reckon there will be an election and what would change? Well the tories would more than likely win and probably get a bigger majority. That's the problem Dancing everybody is making the right noises and they all seem to be contradicting one another because at the end of the day no one had a plan beforehand if the result was leave as they were so cocksure we were going to remain. No one really knows what's going on or what to do its a right Fred Karno's.

Cameron didn't have a plan and neither did Boris and co because they didn't expect it either. We've not left the EU yet and we may not still but the whole country is left in a limbo and that's particular bad for businesses, the FTSE and the £.

Exactly Dancing that's the attitude Carpe Diem because at the end of the day it's out of the British public's hands now as we voted and we have to hope those at the top to try and get the best deal for the WHOLE of the UK even if you disagree or dislike this Government.

[bluepooch]

Neoliberalism has ruined this country . It has created an underclass who finally found their voice in the referendum.
I dont care if an extreme right or left wing group gets in we need to crush the establishment.Most labour MPs are worse than the tories they make me want to vomit.They dont listen to their people they are only in it for what they can get .They all have their snouts in a great big trough and they dont want to lose it .
Why is Ed Balls on that Strictly come Dancing thingy ? Because they are paying him a tidy sum ,he's a media whore .

[spireitematt]

Could be good news for you Dancing as the EU are considering plans to let British individuals opt-in to keep their EU citizenship.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/pol...05196.html

[St Charles Owl]

Could be good news for you Dancing as the EU are considering plans to let British individuals opt-in to keep their EU citizenship.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/pol...05196.html

This is a very interesting option for the EU. It doesn't say explicitly but I assume you would need to reside in the EU (not including the UK currently) for this to be open to you. If this was open to any Brit then I have to say I would do it even though I have no intention of moving back!!

In particular I love this line from Jayne Adye, director of the Get Britain Out campaign:

“Brexit means laws which impact the people of the UK will be created by accountable politicians in Westminster. It is totally unacceptable for certain citizens in the UK to subject themselves to laws which are created by politicians who are not accountable the British people as a whole."

The shear nerve of some people to subject themselves to such things!! She really should read that one back to herself before she ever comments officially again!!!!!