[hibeejim21]

for gods sake man,there is no agenda. I want the same thing as you. I am pointing out facts to you though,primarily that celtic have done no more than any other club and are by far the most wronged party.

Here's some facts:

The fans needed a hard fought resolution just to get them to even ask about the euro licensing issue,they completely ignored the false registrations issue when they knew well in advance of LNS what had happened,they have done nothing to remove regan or Doncaster despite being the most powerful club in Scotland,they did nothing to challenge rangers questionable rebranding as sevco or done anything to suggest they were a different club (which they are) and that one shows you how much they prefer money to sporting integrity.

Its you that has the agenda actually, in thinking that your club is any different and actually has an appetite to take this on at board level. Wake the xxxx up.

If the fans want to get together and finance a judicial review count me in. But spare me the celtic are doing more than the rest pish. They are doing absolutely nothing of the sort whilst trying to give their fans the impression they are,which is an even worse form of cowardice really.

As for the attendances,again I couldn't care less how you kid yourself on. No one was arguing about the cash or the way the plc count attendances. But peoples own eyes could see the fans were staying away from the league games in increasing amounts. Average 41k gates my hole. Total lies.

[edgie]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/scotl...-8p25q8wbb

I don't have to wake up Celtic have been doing more, and have been since 2012 and now that the EBT case has been finished its back on the agenda.
Evidence is there if you care to look, I suggest you look at the times article above.

So you don't need to apologise for being wrong, the proof is there Celtic Have done more than the rest simples.

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just realised its behind a pay wall so here is the text of the article from the times , Celtic doing nothing obviously

"Celtic still pressing SFA for Inquiry

Celtic still pressing SFA for inquiry. Lawwell letter from 2012 outlines stance


Ewing Grahame

September 7 2017

The Times


Lawwell demanded a judicial review into the financial collapse of Rangers


Celtic have not given up hope of the Scottish Football Association agreeing to a judicial inquiry which would examine fully the roles played by the game’s ruling bodies before, during and after the financial implosion of Rangers in 2012.


It is understood that, while the SFA have yet to respond to a call from the Ladbrokes Premiership champions for such a forensic investigation some two months ago, Celtic believe that more stringent rules, checks and balances ought to be in place in order to restore confidence in the SFA while simultaneously ensuring that Rangers or any other club are not allowed to run up such unsustainable debts in future.


The Times can also reveal that, in an letter sent by Peter Lawwell to Stewart Regan, the SFA’s chief executive, immediately prior to Rangers descending from administration into liquidation five years ago, the Celtic chief executive not only demanded a judicial review of the scandal which rocked the national sport but also insisted that title-stripping and the removal of national cup competitions won by the fallen Glasgow club between 1999 and 2010 should form part of the sanctions open to that panel.


During those years, Sir David Murray had employed tax avoidance policies: firstly, the Discounted Option Scheme, for which they admitted liability, and secondly, the Employee Benefit Trusts, for which they did not. The deployment of these complex plans allowed Rangers to make tax-free payments to players, managers, staff and former employees in the shape of “loans” or discretionary bonuses from the Trust.


Murray took £6.3 million worth of net payments in EBTs while other major beneficiaries included Barry Ferguson (£2.5 million), Stefan Klos (£2 million), Dado Prso (£1.9 million), Christian Nerlinger (£1.8 million), Michael Ball (£1.4 million), Tore André Flo (£1.3 million), Ronald de Boer and Thomas Buffel (£1.2 million each), Claudio Caniggia and Pedro Mendes (£1 million each) and managers Alex McLeish (£1.7 million) and Dick Advocaat (£1.5 million).


Celtic believed then that the involvement of the aforementioned players, along with 46 others, in league and cup matches during that 11-year span should make all their results null and void, should it be proved that the tax avoidance schemes had been misused.


“If the allegations of ‘double contracts’ for players are true, and a breach of SPL and/or SFA rules is established, the eligibility of those players to have competed in domestic league and cup competitions will be called into question,” Lawwell wrote in his letter, sent on May 25, 2012, the 45th anniversary of Celtic’s European Cup triumph.


“In turn, the integrity of the football results achieved by using those players would by necessity also fall into question. Any wrongdoing then established would have to be subject to fair and proportionate sanctions, including retrospectively, if appropriate. However, at a higher level, in our opinion this whole affair is causing lasting damage to the reputation and integrity of Scottish football.”


It adds: “The interests of fairness and Scottish football now demand that the SFA act decisively. The initial inquiry should now be reconvened or a new independent panel led by a judge or senior lawyer should be formed to investigate and report upon the Rangers EBT issues and consider whether there has been any further breach of the Association’s rules, including those on disrepute.


“The roles of individuals (past and present) subject to the jurisdiction of the Association should also be examined. This should take place as quickly as possible, irrespective of the SPL’s own investigations.”


Five Supreme Court judges decided unanimously on July 5 that EBT payments were liable for tax. Rangers had denied the existence of side letters to players guaranteeing their extra payments — most of them were performance-related — to Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs and the footballing authorities but they were uncovered during a police raid on Ibrox.


Murray confessed in court earlier this year that EBTs “gave us [Rangers] an opportunity to get players that we perhaps would not be able to afford [otherwise]”. When the Supreme Court verdict was announced, the SFA issued a statement which said they would do nothing, on legal advice.


The SPFL board — it includes Rangers’ Stewart Robertson — also asked the SFA more than six weeks ago to consent to an impartial probe into how the governing bodies dealt with Rangers’ financial meltdown. It too has been met with silence."

[hibeejim21]

I need apologise for nothing edgie as that letter is over 5 years old FFS. You would think lawwell would have got the message the SFA are going to do SFA by now. They have well and truly covered their tracks since.

Regan and co are still in situ,the trophies are still at "rangers" and celtic have done little meaningful since. In fact nothing meaningful,like everyone else.

Wake me up when celtic get serious.

[edgie]

again you simply miss the point
this was put on the back burner till the EBT case was settled
Since then celtic have asked for a review.

At this stage they cant do anything else, particularly with out support from the diddy clubs

[hibeejim21]

'diddy clubs'

You don't sound much like a xxxx.

[edgie]

In this context they are behaving as diddies not one willing to challenge and stand up to the perceived threats

so I stand by diddy

and if you think I'm a what ever that up to you, it just shows you have lost the argument by resorting to personal abuse
You sure you are not a bitter rangers fan?

[hibeejim21]

The fans are mostly all behind a review, i've long pointed out how unjust it all it is. But celtic have done precious little other than a letter from 5 years ago, are they diddys?. Them's the facts,no matter how much you try and exaggerate it.

Calling other supporters clubs 'diddy' isn't going to win hearts and minds.

[hibeejim21]

Some observations regarding the recent publishing of communications between celtic and the SFA.

1) Looks like lawwell and the celtic board have been on the case with this and i was wrong about that, so apologies on that score. His letters are incisive and common sense in approach,looking to protect the game in scotland.

2) Regan has to go,he is completely compromised. As lawwell stresses ALL the league clubs favour an independent review into this that would likely result in his removal. The letters from the SFA to rangers basically asking them what they would like them to do summed it up.

3) "Lord Nimmo Smith found that Oldco had not achieved a sporting advantage by utilising the EBT Scheme. The report of evidence given by Sir David Murray at the Craig Whyte trial appears to contradict that finding" Proof positive that the SFA finally acknowledge cheating has taken place. Yet no 'raking over coals' .....for that read upsetting rangers fans,because a review would surely lead to trophy stripping and life time bans.

4) If the compliance officer finds wrongdoing over the license issuing on regans part,again he must stand down. Although i'm not sure what punishment can be provided. Rangers are broon bread after all.

5) That response from the SFA is an absolute disgrace. They have thrown scottish fitba under the bus to try and save one club.

[edgie]

the SFAs response is exactly as expected.

as to your points jim
1) exactly right and well said
2) the problem is that no other club has actually asked for the review, until the do its simply going to be sold to the masses as a Celtic vs Rangers issue and that Celtic are just bitter etc....
3) yep saw that and again shocked at that admission, it blows the LNS enquiry out of the water, the judgments and punishment were predicated by the "no sporting advantage" preface.
4) No punishment to deed co, but the directors at deed co, King, Paul Murray, Johnstone and Dickson all involved in lying to the SFA are all still involved in Scottish football, they need to be weeded out.
5) back to 2 unless other clubs come forward nothing will happen, as I said will Celtic risk European football for this ??
No unless they are supported from other clubs, so the hearts and hibs supporters if you are interested in sporting integrity need to pressurise their clubs to say something on this.


Lawwell is playing it clever , saying its not about narrow punishment its about learning lessons

[Fredstersafool]

Just read the hibs statement regards this and they want nothing to do with it (no sure what the view is from Tynecastle) but was Petrie not part of the SFA who granted Sevco a license?? If so you don't need to be a lawyer to work out why they want to turn away.