[spireitematt]

This guy sums it up well. I don't know what shocked me more the girl crying about Nando's could be leaving the UK or the girl thinking the best thing about the EU is our NHS.

[Devongone]

If business decides to wait until it knows what is happening it will never make another move. The result will be it will create exactly what it fears.

Everything that happens has the potential to be an opportunity to seize or a looming disaster. Sometimes a positive decision to do nothing can even be the right thing. But just sheltering in your burrow until all the foxes in the world turn vegetarian seems a pretty fatal option for a rabbit.

If business didn't want a referendum it shouldn't have voted Tory. Surely all these far-sighted businessmen who think they can now predict economic chaos should have worked out it would be a pretty close-run thing? Or is it that they were like the traders buying into the pound on June 23 because they thought they could make a killing and ended up crying into their caviar?

And now I'll say something you'll think really stupid. If the Govt chosen the word STAY instead of remain I think they'd have won. Remain gave them in. Who wants to stay in when they could have all the excitement of going out? Words matter and this is another part of a campaign the government ran disastrously from the start. Why on earth did Cameron allow himself to be portrayed as this brave British knight going out to battle recalcitrant Europeans for our right? Sheer self-importance? Heaven forfend! He should have been looking forward to discussions with all our friends. Friends we view positively. Remain gave us negative images and statements throughout.

However hard, or not, Corbyn had worked it wouldn't have made a difference. Cameron and Osborne planned this, got every aspect wrong and ended up losing to Iceland. But isn't this exactly what we voted for at the last election?

[Dancingwilldoit]

Just to give this a bump. Looks like Boris is on his way back up the greasy pole Dev.
Have spent this week exhibiting at the Farnborough Air Show. Its been dire. Monday was a wash out literally, today was like a reincarnation of the Marie Celeste, more life in my dogs coat than British Industry ATM. American visitors and exhibitors saying they have never seen it so quiet. OK I know as I type this the - ah but just wait a bit and things will turn will be spouted but honestly things are not looking good for the next year or so.
Ok Murray won Wimbledon, a Brit might win the Open, May might or might not but nevertheless we are descending down a road we cant back up. In no way am I a Tory but just because the opposition leader has the initials JC he thinks he can walk on water and is untouchable. If ever we needed strong leadership he certainly aint going to give it with his side kick saying "Jeremy wont be answering that today".
How the F**k did we end with a labour leader called Jeremy anyway? I can buy an ice cream for £3 or vote for some non descript numbscull. Whats wrong with a Bill, Harry or "Bob"?
Its strange being in the south and having a northern accent - people look at you as if to say "he's one of those bastards that voted out". Its best just to keep quiet and pretend to be Polish or Rumanian. Better still I can speak with a slight Glaswegian lilt that might I just get away with. Roll on the good times.
Ok have had a few but it feels good to get it off my chest.

[spireitematt]

Just to give this a bump. Looks like Boris is on his way back up the greasy pole Dev.
Have spent this week exhibiting at the Farnborough Air Show. Its been dire. Monday was a wash out literally, today was like a reincarnation of the Marie Celeste, more life in my dogs coat than British Industry ATM. American visitors and exhibitors saying they have never seen it so quiet. OK I know as I type this the - ah but just wait a bit and things will turn will be spouted but honestly things are not looking good for the next year or so.
Ok Murray won Wimbledon, a Brit might win the Open, May might or might not but nevertheless we are descending down a road we cant back up. In no way am I a Tory but just because the opposition leader has the initials JC he thinks he can walk on water and is untouchable. If ever we needed strong leadership he certainly aint going to give it with his side kick saying "Jeremy wont be answering that today".
How the F**k did we end with a labour leader called Jeremy anyway? I can buy an ice cream for £3 or vote for some non descript numbscull.  Whats wrong with a Bill, Harry or "Bob"?
Its strange being in the south and having a northern accent - people look at you as if to say "he's one of those bastards that voted out". Its best just to keep quiet and pretend to be Polish or Rumanian. Better still I can speak with a slight Glaswegian lilt that might I just get away with. Roll on the good times.
Ok have had a few but it feels good to get it off my chest.

As a Labour member I can tell you the whole process has changed people who joined after January 16th aren't allowed a vote and supporters don't pay £3 now but have to pay £25 to vote and have to register between 2 days.

[bluepooch]

Im a labour member and as things stand will vote for Corbyn .The other two are centre left Blairite types and we need a radical change even if it means a split .
Im sick of centre left or right politics where nothing ever changes .

[Devongone]

Dancing mate there is no such thing as a greasy pole if you have been to Eton. Boris could be a clever move, much of the real power has gone apparently to David Davies and Dr Fox, but Boris will do all the flashy stuff and most of the world does love him and of course regard of that kind inevitably pushes power towards you (even if you don't want it) (but he does!)

It'll be fine. Chris Frrooome, vrooom, vrrroooom runs up mountains, Greg Rutherford will somehow win gold with a leap of 8.01m against dazed opponents who are usually closer to 9.01m and Jessica Ennis-Hill will make everyone fall in love with Sheffield. Saudi Arabia will buy a load of planes from us to train jihadi pilots to bomb the very infidels who sold the planes, and we'll soon be able to sell the Iraqis more useless bomb-detectors made from the discarded hypodermic syringes we recycle from children's play areas. Is it safe to use a TASER on board a plane - we could do well selling them to air hostesses - just an idea, I was thinking of pitching it on Dragon's Den?

If you come from north of Derby and live anywhere south of Peterborough everybody feels free to say to you, "You're not from round here are you?"

As for Jeremy, he's a good man. But he was only Tony Benn's coat carrier when I met him. If I were still a party member I'd vote for him because the others are simply traitors. Labour has always had the problem that the right has the power in parliament and the left does all the work to put them there - typically as soon as the left gets a toe-hold on power the right turns traitor. I don't think Jeremy is a natural leader and this is a sexist thing to say ...... but look at Angela Eagle and listen to her. If you don't think Jeremy can win an election what hope would she have against, Teresa May, Maggie May or Peter May? She wears an expression like a wasp, dresses in Angela Merkel's cast-offs and her voice is like a surface-to-air homing in on its target, one protracted whine.

Personally I'd rejoin Labour if Mr McDonnell were leader.

And Dancing, I hope someone turned up and bought something from you. It must be depressing.

[spireitematt]

Im a labour member and as things stand will vote for Corbyn .The other two are centre left Blairite types and we need a radical change even if it means a split .
Im sick of centre left or right politics where nothing ever changes .

Look at what's happening down in Brighton's CLP.

Also he might not be on the ballot because apparently Labour are taking the NEC to court because they've put him on the ballot automatically without having to get 51 MPs to back him and they don't think its right he's been put on the ballot automatically.

[Devongone]

I'm afraid Labour are even more likely to split than our defence when they try to stop The Wols.

[spireitematt]

I'm afraid Labour are even more likely to split than our defence when they try to stop The Wols.

I hope not but it doesn't look good.

[spireitematt]

It's an omnishambles.