Huddersfield Town v Reading (FA Cup)

WakeyTerrier · 06-01-2015, 15:22

sticking to the rules is one thing, but to lose £4million when the club could lose £8million is literally playing with one hand tied behind his back.

Yes I know I'll get shot down with "it's his money" and "put your own money where your mouth is" argument but I just find it strange that we aren't fully maximising the rules to our benefit.

As for the managers ELT, I liked Robins and the only time I said he should go was about 20mins into the Bournemouth game. For what it's worth though I think the constraints placed on him from above had a lot to do with his downfall. The club talked about pathways and invested in the youth team/players for the future whilst forgetting about the problems immediately in front of them. Billing,Tronstad,Carr,Carroll,Bojaj and Lolley all signed for significant fees I believe, we are gambling that they will pay off but as yet none have.
The signings of Jon Stead was described to us by Clibbens as 'sometimes you have to give the fans what they want'.....fantastic £5k a week on a donkey that I certainly didn't want and I suspect Robins didn't really want him either. The same sort of thing applies to Peltier who is fast challenging Stead to be one of our worst signings ever, I can't help feel these signings were 'board' signings not management.

Marco4 · 06-01-2015, 15:40

Think the bigger problem is that Town spaff so much money on a striker who is either injured or suspended or both. No idea how that deal went through, and it looks worse and worse as every week goes by.

Not news that I was against that signing, though.

SHEP_HTAFC · 06-01-2015, 16:50

Dean Hoyle is desperately trying to turn the club into a self funded business that has a long term future.
We have all seen the horror stories and horror debts at places like L666s, Rangers, Bolton, QPR and many many others.
And let's not forget the clubs with mega rich owners who are funding massive losses each year such as Chelski and Man City, and even much smaller clubs with rich owners like Hull, Cardiff, Bornmuff, Forest, and Wigan....once these owners pull out - which they will eventually - where does that leave them?
I would hazard a pretty good guess at financial disaster and liquidation.
I, for one, would rather support a self sustaining football club in the 3rd tier of football, than a supporter of a club living day by day with the threat of going under.

So Wakey is saying why lose £4million a year when we could be losing £8million. I really don't see the point in that. Or the logic.
Just because other clubs are gambling all that money each year, why should we? What good is it going to do us long term?
Yes it might keep us in the 2nd tier for a few more years, maybe even sporadically flirt with the play offs....but long term we are gambling with our club.
Hoyle will get sick of losing £8million a year and bale out. We then can't sustain the debt, and start dropping down the leagues with ever mounting debt. Will you all be happy then?
What I've said above is worst case scenario....maybe best case is we spend £8million for one year and get to the promised land of the Premier League? Then we are sorted for life aren't we? Aye right.

Getting it right now, could save this club for many many years to come. Getting it wrong now could see us having to support newco Huddersfield Town FC in the Ryman Northern League 3.

WakeyTerrier · 06-01-2015, 17:25

How many football clubs in England are run without losses. It's a pipedream that will never work

**Lord Snooty** · 06-01-2015, 18:03

And don't forget we have been there ourselves when Rubery pulled the plug. I don't want to have to go through that again. Would rather be average any day. Nowt wrong with mid table mediocrity.

TerrierTim · 06-01-2015, 18:27

We have to improve to be mid table mediocrity..... Big Grin

WakeyTerrier · 06-01-2015, 18:34

And that Snooty is the problem, the club are happy to be going nowhere which can only mean one thing...that we are actually slowly but surely going backwards.

its tough for the club I know but fans won't turn up to watch mediocrity and so crowds will drop off and then Dean will have another choice to make, does he fund even more of the shortfall or do we go back to being a Lower league team forever.

**St Charles Owl** · 06-01-2015, 19:06

Wakey, I understand your pain and to some degree down here in Sheffield some of our fans are saying the same thing. So far we have also adhered to the FFP rules, keeping our losses within the rules they set forth and it too has got us basically nowhere. Now this season we find ourselves in 10th place as I type, not far off the playoffs yet our managers says in the January window we will probably only be looking at loan players to bolster the squad!! The mindset of a lot of fans is why would our chairman not splash some cash and chase the playoffs in probably the one season when this league is fairly even?? You never know, we might make it if we did this and then we reach the promised land and all the riches it guarantees for the next 5 years at least.

On the other hand, last season the same was said when we were in your position, spend more money to get us to mid table, but as one poster on here said, why would the owner pump a further 4m into the club to finish 15th rather than 20th?? He actually gets a zero return on that 4m in that scenario, except for the obvious - the threat of relegation was removed!! I think Dean is thinking you have the squad to survive and pumping in extra money to finish a few places higher is simply not worth it, but is it a risk worth taking?? Sooner or later the FFP rules will catch up with Bournemouth and Brentford, unless of course they manage to get to the prem and so far this season the risk they are taking is paying off, but unless they get promoted it is not sustainable for them to keep spending as they are.

**Lord Snooty** · 06-01-2015, 20:42

We only have a League One fan base. Even when we were in the first division in the 70s we only averaged 15,000 in a 50,000 stadium.
We will never improve on that even if we do get to the Premier League. If all those who go when we get to Play Off finals were to come every week things would improve, but they won't.
We were over ambitious building a stadium this size. It's ridiculous. Looks even more ridiculous when the Giants play.

ARTERRIER · 06-01-2015, 21:15

The problem is the club are happy to muddle along, hoping that there is 3 worse teams, which there probably us but sooner or later there won't be. The lack of ambition down there is gobsmacking, since we've made it back into this league we've made no impact on the league and progress has been negligible to say the least. First season I get it was just about staying up, last season a solid mid table finish but thus season we should be looking at being top 10, we're nowhere near that and we don't even look like making a sustained challenge on the top ten. We all know this is a tough league there is some big clubs with big fanbases bigger than our own and clubs with plenty if financial clout but our lack of desire and fight as a club is appalling. Crowds will not increase whilst the club have this small time mentality.