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(08-04-2015, 06:50)aries22 Wrote: (07-04-2015, 22:38)wba_1996 Wrote: Tbh if we can't get anything from Leicester or Palace then we are a joke and deserve to go down.
Sadly, there's a lot of truth in that statement, and you can add Newcastle to that list. All three will be extremely tough and worrying.
So if we don't get points from Leicester or Palace we deserve to go down? Surely its been proved season in, season out that the three teams with the least points at the end of the campaign 'deserve' to go down!!
West Brom could lose to Leicester & Palace and still stay up, even with their current points total. They could lose these games and pick up points in the last 5 games that everyone thinks they are going to lose.
In my opinion, if the team finish 17th or better, they DON'T DESERVE to go down, regardless of who they win or lose against. If they finish in the bottom three, they do.
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Obviously what you say is true. My point was that, if we get nothing from the games against Leicester, Palace and Newcastle, and if we accept we're unlikely to get anything from our other tough run-in games, which all means we'll be marooned on 33 points, then it's eminently possible we could end up in the bottom three.
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Agreed. As I said, finish in the bottom three and West Brom will deserve to be relegated. However, I don't think any team deserves to go down just because they lose points to certain teams. I see where you are coming from though.
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(10-04-2015, 22:11)Borders Baggie Wrote: (08-04-2015, 06:50)aries22 Wrote: (07-04-2015, 22:38)wba_1996 Wrote: Tbh if we can't get anything from Leicester or Palace then we are a joke and deserve to go down.
Sadly, there's a lot of truth in that statement, and you can add Newcastle to that list. All three will be extremely tough and worrying.
So if we don't get points from Leicester or Palace we deserve to go down? Surely its been proved season in, season out that the three teams with the least points at the end of the campaign 'deserve' to go down!!
In my opinion, if the team finish 17th or better, they DON'T DESERVE to go down, regardless of who they win or lose against. If they finish in the bottom three, they do.
To be honest, I think there's a case to be made that some teams in some seasons are harder done by than others in terms of relegation. Objectively speaking, would you put the West Ham team who got relegated on 42 points in 2002 on a par with the Derby side who got relegated on 11 six years later? It seems pretty obvious to me that in terms of Premier League history as a whole - not just the season in question - the 2002 Hammers side got a tough break, as did Blackpool in 2011 and a few others in other years. Likewise, we got pretty lucky in 2005 (and last year!) as did Villa in 2012, etc.
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The points total for survival is always going to vary from to season to season and as you say, some teams survive with 34pts and others suffer the drop with 42pts.
Nottingham Forest were 'too good a team' to go down allegedly, but finished in the bottom three so in my opinion, deserved the drop.
West Ham get relegated with 42pts. That was the standard that season and they couldn't rise above that.
Maybe 33pts will be enough this season - but I doubt it.
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There's a difference between teams proclaiming they're too good to go down (a fallacy if ever there was one) and teams who've been hard done by in getting relegated, by usual Prem standards. Yes, West Ham failed to get the necessary points that season, as Blackpool failed to get them in 2011, but that doesn't change my opinion that across 22 years of the Premier League, there are teams who "deserved" relegation more than either, and yet escaped it.
Of course, opinion is all it is; you either feel that each individual Premier League season is a separate contest to be judged on its own merits, or you think there's an objective standard which can be judged from one to the next. There's no right or wrong answer, really. I just tend towards the latter way of thinking.
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