[Slick_Footwork]

Not wishing to compare TM with CC but here's the facts.
We have got new players in and slipped down the league, while Valencia have climbed from relegation fodder into almost a European qualification spot.
The league doesn't lie.

I think it's unfair to compare the two, doing very different jobs with different clubs.

I think we all agree that Corberan is an excellent coach who for best part, did a great job with us under difficult circumstances. Taking us from relegation to playoffs in 2 years was a real achievement. Likewise, he's done a great job for Valencia. Although I do think that improving them was potentially an easier job than Mowbray's job here. Valencia were massively under achieving when Carlos joined and their squad is much better than their relegation rivals - Alaves, Valladolid, Leganes and the like.

In terms of Mowbray getting new players, that is true, but I think it's fair to be balanced we have to recognise the outgoings too.

We've signed Price, Bany, Lankshear and Armstrong.

And lost Palmer, Racic and Dobbin. Importantly, Josh Maja has been injured for almost all of Mowbray's tenure too.

Obviously it's open to debate, but I really do not think we're a stronger squad now...

Lankshear and Bany were both clearly "punts". The former had only played 3 pro games and the latter didn't even have a wikipedia page.

Maja remains one of the top scorers in the league which shows the impact he had when fit. And I'm really not sure why we let Racic leave either. Yes, his performances were hit and miss but I thought he showed glimpses of quality and was box-to-box, which we're missing. It's strange that he's managed to play and score goals for Braga, one of the top teams in Portugal, yet he couldn't get a run for us.

Don't get me wrong, I've been thoroughly disappointed with Mowbray's reign. I thought he would get us playing better football, that hasn't happened. I thought he would get the best out of Johnston and Fellows, yet they've been in and out of the team. Armstrong was a statement signing and clearly his man, but he doesn't appear he had any idea how to fit him into a system that suits him.

Most importantly, I thought we would at least play with some style, yet we remain dull as dishwater.

But I think it's unbalanced to not take into account the poor card he's been dealt too. I mean Palmer's sale has undoubtedly cost us a few points and would've whoever was in charge.

Given our lack of "footballers" it's fair to say that Mowbray might not have been the right man for the job. I think Corberan's more attractional style definitely got more out of our dull team. I'm not sure a team full of "ratters" like Styles, Molumby and Grant really suits Mowbray's style at all. But maybe with the right rebuild, he could come good.

For me the jury is still out, but I do understand why you and others are calling for his head.

[drewks]

Not wishing to compare TM with CC but here's the facts.
We have got new players in and slipped down the league, while Valencia have climbed from relegation fodder into almost a European qualification spot.
The league doesn't lie.

I think it's unfair to compare the two, doing very different jobs with different clubs.

I think we all agree that Corberan is an excellent coach who for best part, did a great job with us under difficult circumstances. Taking us from relegation to playoffs in 2 years was a real achievement. Likewise, he's done a great job for Valencia. Although I do think that improving them was potentially an easier job than Mowbray's job here. Valencia were massively under achieving when Carlos joined and their squad is much better than their relegation rivals - Alaves, Valladolid, Leganes and the like.

In terms of Mowbray getting new players, that is true, but I think it's fair to be balanced we have to recognise the outgoings too.

We've signed Price, Bany, Lankshear and Armstrong.

And lost Palmer, Racic and Dobbin. Importantly, Josh Maja has been injured for almost all of Mowbray's tenure too.

Obviously it's open to debate, but I really do not think we're a stronger squad now...

Lankshear and Bany were both clearly "punts". The former had only played 3 pro games and the latter didn't even have a wikipedia page.

Maja remains one of the top scorers in the league which shows the impact he had when fit. And I'm really not sure why we let Racic leave either. Yes, his performances were hit and miss but I thought he showed glimpses of quality and was box-to-box, which we're missing. It's strange that he's managed to play and score goals for Braga, one of the top teams in Portugal, yet he couldn't get a run for us.

Don't get me wrong, I've been thoroughly disappointed with Mowbray's reign. I thought he would get us playing better football, that hasn't happened. I thought he would get the best out of Johnston and Fellows, yet they've been in and out of the team. Armstrong was a statement signing and clearly his man, but he doesn't appear he had any idea how to fit him into a system that suits him.

Most importantly, I thought we would at least play with some style, yet we remain dull as dishwater.

But I think it's unbalanced to not take into account the poor card he's been dealt too. I mean Palmer's sale has undoubtedly cost us a few points and would've whoever was in charge.

Given our lack of "footballers" it's fair to say that Mowbray might not have been the right man for the job. I think Corberan's more attractional style definitely got more out of our dull team. I'm not sure a team full of "ratters" like Styles, Molumby and Grant really suits Mowbray's style at all. But maybe with the right rebuild, he could come good.

For me the jury is still out, but I do understand why you and others are calling for his head.

That's a great, balanced view Slick. A lot of sense..... I'm never going to criticise CC as he DID do wonders here..... BUT dull, dull, dull (as is 95% of modern football); I had hoped TM would somehow 'magic' a completely new style of play with basically the same squad.
D'OH!!
With hindsight, I now think keeping TM on for at least another 6 months is the better option, to give him a fair chance in a league that he HAS had some success in.

[BaggieSteve]

Not wishing to compare TM with CC but here's the facts.
We have got new players in and slipped down the league, while Valencia have climbed from relegation fodder into almost a European qualification spot.
The league doesn't lie.

I think it's unfair to compare the two, doing very different jobs with different clubs.

I think we all agree that Corberan is an excellent coach who for best part, did a great job with us under difficult circumstances. Taking us from relegation to playoffs in 2 years was a real achievement. Likewise, he's done a great job for Valencia. Although I do think that improving them was potentially an easier job than Mowbray's job here. Valencia were massively under achieving when Carlos joined and their squad is much better than their relegation rivals - Alaves, Valladolid, Leganes and the like.

In terms of Mowbray getting new players, that is true, but I think it's fair to be balanced we have to recognise the outgoings too.

We've signed Price, Bany, Lankshear and Armstrong.

And lost Palmer, Racic and Dobbin. Importantly, Josh Maja has been injured for almost all of Mowbray's tenure too.

Obviously it's open to debate, but I really do not think we're a stronger squad now...

Lankshear and Bany were both clearly "punts". The former had only played 3 pro games and the latter didn't even have a wikipedia page.

Maja remains one of the top scorers in the league which shows the impact he had when fit. And I'm really not sure why we let Racic leave either. Yes, his performances were hit and miss but I thought he showed glimpses of quality and was box-to-box, which we're missing. It's strange that he's managed to play and score goals for Braga, one of the top teams in Portugal, yet he couldn't get a run for us.

Don't get me wrong, I've been thoroughly disappointed with Mowbray's reign. I thought he would get us playing better football, that hasn't happened. I thought he would get the best out of Johnston and Fellows, yet they've been in and out of the team. Armstrong was a statement signing and clearly his man, but he doesn't appear he had any idea how to fit him into a system that suits him.

Most importantly, I thought we would at least play with some style, yet we remain dull as dishwater.

But I think it's unbalanced to not take into account the poor card he's been dealt too. I mean Palmer's sale has undoubtedly cost us a few points and would've whoever was in charge.

Given our lack of "footballers" it's fair to say that Mowbray might not have been the right man for the job. I think Corberan's more attractional style definitely got more out of our dull team. I'm not sure a team full of "ratters" like Styles, Molumby and Grant really suits Mowbray's style at all. But maybe with the right rebuild, he could come good.

For me the jury is still out, but I do understand why you and others are calling for his head.

Completely agree with your comments, Slick. I’m also disappointed with how TM’s time as coach has progressed so far but it does seem clear that many of the players he inherited struggle with his approach. There will be an almighty clear out in the summer with high value, out of contract and loan players all departing, and for TM to be successful that needs to happen. The last time he was appointed it was after we sacked Robson and he inherited a, probably, slightly better squad, one that included a natural & prolific scorer in Kevin Phillips. Nevertheless, at the end of the season, high profile players departed, he built a squad better suited to his style… and we won the Championship.

I’m just hoping something similar can happen, accepting that was many moons ago. Like you and many others, I don’t always understand the selections and substitutions but I think he’s trying to fit square legs into round holes at times. Add to that the loss of the league’s best goalkeeper and injuries to key players, particularly Maja, and I’m not entirely surprised at our position.

[Stairs]

Well, despite TM’s claim that we will win all 3 remaining games, I am already resigned to the fact that we will be in the Championship next season.

I hear what people are saying about the squad not being suitable to TM’s style and method of play.

In fact even under CC I felt that although we had a few quality players, and a few that really put a shift in, the team was always well short of being a well oiled team.

I will be very happy to see the club support him and help finance a clear out and rebuild.

This will be my 66th year of hoping they can actually shine.

[Salopbaggie]

Well play-off are now gone and to be honest I have always preferred being a big fish in a small but far more entertaining pond, than a minnow laughed at by all. Don't get me wrong if we were going to go up with a fighting chance of doing something, then yes, but to get promoted just to lose every week is soul destroying.

As for TM does he does another 2 years on his contract, so I think we have to hold onto him, unless we have someone better waiting to sign, I would not like to see us sack him and then go looking around for someone who may not be there. Plus I do have a fleeting hope that the old TM might turn up, though I did wonder on a couple of occasion watching him in interview if his heart was really in it.

I really don't know what he was trying to achieve with constant swapping and changing this season, he was looking 'desperate' to find a winning combination, and you cannot base that on one try. The squad were hit and miss as well, I don't think one of them with perhaps the exception of Maja and Heggam (and even he had a couple of questionable performances) could honestly say they had a good season. I think the team performances as a whole took an obvious downward turn after Palmer left, perhaps the squad felt the demonstration of a lack of ambition as I did, when you let one of your top players go, when in such a strong position to get into the Premiership.

More concerning now, is next season, more stronger teams in the division, coming from both ends, and a squad rebuild again required, I dare say built around Price as we will not be able to afford anyone better. Better hope that gamble on Bany comes off as well.

[Salopbaggie]

6 minutes again 0-1 OK a little push on Furlong, but so sloppy. 0-2 another appalling goal, unbelievable. On the other hand, we have two quality wingers on the pitch and we are trying to play everything through the middle. I want to cry, but still have hope

[talkSAFT]

F***ing 'ell 0-2 1/2 hour gone.

[Minizin]

Playing like a training game.

Mowbray will go at the end of the season but he’s not the main problem (in hindsight, Corberan was even better than we thought). Something very wrong with the core of the squad, collapsing whenever the pressure is on. Bartley, Furlong, Grant maybe - hard to see who is offering the Olsson/ McInnes/ Fletcher leadership and role model.

[talkSAFT]

1-3 87 mins

[Minizin]

All three teams ahead of us at kickoff are losing. What a waste