[SHEP_HTAFC]

Agree with nearly all the comments from everyone who has posted here.
Clarke, Kindon and Stewart shouldn't be classed as legends for me.
I agree that Law and Worthington might have started with us but didn't get enough playing time while at Town to be considered legends.
However total appearances alone isn't enough to also be considered a legend, otherwise players like Nathan Clarke and Jon Dyson would be in with a shout !!!

It has to come down to what was done whilst playing with Town, whether it was winning things, promotion, avoiding relegation, goals or just great play consistently.
So for me, I would include Rhodes and Booth as legends. Rhodes deserves to be there so much more than Marcus Stewart for example. 87 goals in 3 years beats 67 in 4 years.....however I know nearly all those were scored at a lower level.
Not everyone from the title winning teams of the 20's would be in it. Let's face it, an average player can win lots of trophies if he's in a good team...look at Nicky Butt and Phil Neville for Man Utd.

Overall there's 5 players in there I wouldn't have picked.....Kindon, Stewart, Clarke, Law, Worhington.

[ARTERRIER]

We've done this on DATM and I disagree with Cas and almost everyone on here. Ok I do agree that certain players from the clubs past orchestrated 3 titles and a FA Cup but honestly no one ever saw them play, so how the hell could anyone justifiably make a serious vote for Clem Stephenson or Vic Metcalfe? We're told they were legends but how good was football back in the 20's and 30's? It was only from maybe the 60's that football has become recognisable and players have developed into the better players they have nowadays. These guys are so remote in the past, I feel no affinity or anything with them.

I didn't vote but if I had have done I wouldn't have voted for any players from the clubs golden period and my vote probably would have been for the players who were selected.

I'm not so sure why everyone is getting worked up about this, its not as if they are having marble busts made of the selected players, its just a set of poxy flags. People were always going to vote for players who they have seen not some who played 70 years ago and is now dead and gone, they can't relate to them, they can to players they have seen. It seems to me people just wanted 14 players selected from the title years, legend means different things to different people.

As for Clarke, who seems the most controversial selection, he warmed to the fans through his commitment, no one is saying he was the best centra back we've ever had, I'd put Morrison, Lucketti and Monkou ahead of him and even Hudson in that respect but as I said it was his commitment, he captained the club to promotion and was a big part of the unbeaten run (which got us nowhere). If ever there was any doubt about Clarke's standing with the Town fans, you only have to remember the reception he got a couple of weeks ago when he returned for Blackpool.

[WakeyTerrier]

So if we had a vote for the greatest manager you wouldn't vote for Herbert Chapman because you didn't watch his team play?

But obviously he is our greatest manager no matter what the standard of football at the time.

[Lord Snooty]

Good points there, ARTERRIER. I do however, have an affinity with the old players. I've grown up knowing of these legends. I've read all the books, bought the videos.
I never saw Winston Churchill or Isambard Kingdom Brunel or Hedley Verity, doesn't not make them legends.

[ARTERRIER]

So if we had a vote for the greatest manager you wouldn't vote for Herbert Chapman because you didn't watch his team play?

But obviously he is our greatest manager no matter what the standard of football at the time.

That's a bit different to be fair Wakey, only a fool would say he he wasn't the greatest manager but this was not the criteria for the players, the term used was 'legend' not the 'greatest'.

As for Churchill and Brunel, if I want to know how great Brunel was, I have some tangible monuments to visit to prove his greatness and remind of the fact, in the wider context of history they have achieved notoriety in their fields by contributing to, in Brunels case, great public engineering works that have helped thrust the country forward. Churchill invigorated the country at it's lowest ebb as the German war machine powered through Europe to the shores of the English Channel, where the Yanks bailed us out just in time.

[Lord Snooty]

I think people like Sir Amos Brook Hirst, Dick Parker and everybody who helped save the club in 1919 are legends. If it wasn't for them, we'd all be watching Leeds.

[Terrier1987cas]

We've done this on DATM and I disagree with Cas and almost everyone on here. Ok I do agree that certain players from the clubs past orchestrated 3 titles and a FA Cup but honestly no one ever saw them play, so how the hell could anyone justifiably make a serious vote for Clem Stephenson or Vic Metcalfe? We're told they were legends but how good was football back in the 20's and 30's? It was only from maybe the 60's that football has become recognisable and players have developed into the better players they have nowadays. These guys are so remote in the past, I feel no affinity or anything with them.

I didn't vote but if I had have done I wouldn't have voted for any players from the clubs golden period and my vote probably would have been for the players who were selected.

I'm not so sure why everyone is getting worked up about this, its not as if they are having marble busts made of the selected players, its just a set of poxy flags. People were always going to vote for players who they have seen not some who played 70 years ago and is now dead and gone, they can't relate to them, they can to players they have seen. It seems to me people just wanted 14 players selected from the title years, legend means different things to different people.

As for Clarke, who seems the most controversial selection, he warmed to the fans through his commitment, no one is saying he was the best centra back we've ever had, I'd put Morrison, Lucketti and Monkou ahead of him and even Hudson in that respect but as I said it was his commitment, he captained the club to promotion and was a big part of the unbeaten run (which got us nowhere). If ever there was any doubt about Clarke's standing with the Town fans, you only have to remember the reception he got a couple of weeks ago when he returned for Blackpool.

I'm disappointed that you feel no affinity at all to the people who made our football club great.

[ARTERRIER]

We've done this on DATM and I disagree with Cas and almost everyone on here. Ok I do agree that certain players from the clubs past orchestrated 3 titles and a FA Cup but honestly no one ever saw them play, so how the hell could anyone justifiably make a serious vote for Clem Stephenson or Vic Metcalfe? We're told they were legends but how good was football back in the 20's and 30's? It was only from maybe the 60's that football has become recognisable and players have developed into the better players they have nowadays. These guys are so remote in the past, I feel no affinity or anything with them.

I didn't vote but if I had have done I wouldn't have voted for any players from the clubs golden period and my vote probably would have been for the players who were selected.

I'm not so sure why everyone is getting worked up about this, its not as if they are having marble busts made of the selected players, its just a set of poxy flags. People were always going to vote for players who they have seen not some who played 70 years ago and is now dead and gone, they can't relate to them, they can to players they have seen. It seems to me people just wanted 14 players selected from the title years, legend means different things to different people.

As for Clarke, who seems the most controversial selection, he warmed to the fans through his commitment, no one is saying he was the best centra back we've ever had, I'd put Morrison, Lucketti and Monkou ahead of him and even Hudson in that respect but as I said it was his commitment, he captained the club to promotion and was a big part of the unbeaten run (which got us nowhere). If ever there was any doubt about Clarke's standing with the Town fans, you only have to remember the reception he got a couple of weeks ago when he returned for Blackpool.

I'm disappointed that you feel no affinity at all to the people who made our football club great.

Unfortunately, they are just names in books to me. I cannot say with any certainty that any of the players from that era were good footballers, there is nothing tangible that the fans can relate to in this respect . I don't even know if the club made any replicas of the Championship or the FA Cup trophies, if not the club has no physical to link to that period.

Town fans seem to dine out on the 'golden era' of the 1920's at the drop of the hat. History was made and we're proud of the clubs achievements during this period but to expect the fans to relate to this remote period in time which lasted 3 or 4 years and vote for players who have long since departed this mortal coil, is, well, a bit daft in all honesty.

[MNTerrier]

one of the dictionary definitions of Legend

: a famous or important person who is known for doing something extremely well

by that reckoning those known for doing something extremely well can be known as a legend, by relation achievement can be attached to skill level, therefore those who achieved the most and best by there efforts should be by extension the biggest legends

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the more i think about it the more i think picking just 14 players and having the fans vote is a bit of a daft idea.

legendary status should be just that , legendary, but the point that people have no memory of the players at the club that achieved the most has some merit

but what if this had been done 50 years ago, should the 14 legends be amended every generation to account for turnover of fans ?

rather than just picking 14 why not instead have a Hall of Fame , induct someone every year, have a picture and a little plaque with their club history , that way all the clubs heroes of years gone by, players and staff a like could be recognized and maybe the young uns will learn some club history to boot

[EastLondonTerrier]

I agree with Snoots last point. Would have solved a lot of controversy, if this idea was akin to say Brighton's who not just copied our ground but made it better, they have their walkway outside their stadium. People like Mark Lawrenson are there who was only their for two seasons and even players like Leon Knight who I adored as a kid watching but town and probably brighton legend, he ain't. Playing devils advocate, if a lot of people are upset with this selection, why didn't more people of the older generation vote? I voted for all three of the supposed nonsense players and I even put in Kevin Gray, a very left-field selection but was one of my town legends 100 per cent. But I am only 20. I'm from a different era. Sure, my Dad has told me about all the greats, jimmy nic, kindon, worthington, duncan shearer et al and I put them in knowing that they were legends, but even my Dad didn't watch Vic Metcalfe, Jimmy Glazzard, Billy Smith and all the other immortals. How many do we put in of those for those who quite rightly helped us achieve success in my lifetime? Denis Law only played for us a couple seasons and scored buckets and went onto greatness, who's to say Jordan Rhodes couldn't end up doing that in the future and then for us to say 'ah we had Jordan Rhodes before he went onto play for Arsenal' or someone like that. It's always going to be a touchy subject but I believe we got the majority of these right. You're never going to please all fans. It's just impossible