[bluepooch]

Dancing I will regularly remind you to try to change the colour of your rose tinted Danny specs.We lost 8 consecutive league games between 1st Oct and 19th Nov 2016.Even Saunders and Caldwell didn't achieve that .
The fact is none of the last 4 managers have achieved what we wanted them to and although its relatively early for Jack, if we are relegated then in my opinion he will have failed.
The reason I'm not confident about getting out of it is down to the fact that we are crap.If you look at the games we have lost recently you can't really say we deserved to get anything from them ,but the games we have won ,Swindon home and Yeovil away it can be argued we were quite fortunate .Only the Luton game can we say we probably deserved to win and that seems an awful long time ago.
If a game is even-ish in terms of stats then it can probably go either way but in most of our games this year we have been second best in the vast majority of games on the stats .That doesn't augur well for the immediate future.

[Devongone]

Like Dancing I think Danny would have kept us up. He was in a terrible run, but seven or eight games hardly registers in a career of around a thousand games. Career stats suggested he was a good bet to turn things round, specially with a transfer window looming. But Danny was a fans' choice, Mr Allen doesn't like the fans because they don't like him, so he was more than happy to terminate Danny and point to his failure. It was a spiteful, dirty decision. And you might even argue Danny didn't get the resources because DA wanted him to fail. BUT we do also have to recognise that Danny made some poor decisions - Morgan and ending Tommy's career pointlessly at Bradford to name but two. His team urgently needed new blood and he probably needed to head our play in a more exciting direction. He was losing because he was faced with problems (and had created some of 'em too) to which he wasn't finding the solutions. But even coming off that bad run surely no-one thinks he wouldn't have done better than 12 more points that season?

But now we do look second-best from the moment we hand in the team sheets. Individually we don't have a single player now from whom we know we can expect a solid performance. We don't even have an inconsistent player who we know if everything clicks into place could pull the opposition apart. So we lack consistency and we lack flair. Our defence lets in goals, our forwards struggle to score and our midfield can't impose itself as either an attacking or defensive force. Pooch is right, the wins we are getting are the best we can do. 36 games is considerable evidence on which to base our potential performance. Whatever the fixture list we'd struggle to win more than 3 games in 10.

[spireitematt]

Does anyone think it was too early to get rid of Saunders?

[bluepooch]

Possibly Matt ,he started off ok and was nominated for manager of the month in September I think ,although the football wasn't good. Then we hit a bad patch and we were getting thrashed regularly by October and the fans started getting on his back.He was facing an uphill struggle from the start ,being possibly the most unpopular choice in the history of CFC . Saunders overall fared no better or worse than the other 3 so its safe to assume the decision makers are sh.it at what they do and its time they gave someone else a chance to run the club .

[Dancingwilldoit]

Blue, it wasn't good but if you want to miss out 2 cup games in the middle which we actually won to prove a point then it doesn't prove much.
Its not me wearing rose tinted specs, its you that needs to go to Specsavers. At least under Wilson we looked like we might win the odd game or 2 and we did, we also witnessed a 7 goal spectacle. Under Caldwell and now Lester we are watching dross and cant even see games out to the end. We are bottom of league 2 with the worst goal difference in the league. Oh for the days of Danny Danny Wilson.

[bluepooch]

Dancing.Things must be bad if youre clamouring for Danny...and yes they are that bad.
I merely stated a fact that we lost 8 games in a row in the league which you disputed.Youre surely not trying to defend it .Which by the way equalled an all time club record.

[spireitematt]

Dancing.Things must be bad if youre clamouring for Danny...and yes they are that bad.
I merely stated a fact that we lost 8 games in a row in the league which you disputed.Youre surely not trying to defend it .Which by the way equalled an all time club record.

Danny Wilson was a better manager than Caldwell was, even Saunders was better than Caldwell.

I think if Danny Wilson had been given time then he would have turned it around in the January transfer window. Also bear in mind if you look at the games we lost under Danny Wilson they were quite slim margins. 2-1 and 1-0. Where under Caldwell we were letting in 3-4 goals in a game. Obviously the Sheffield United match at home where we lost on TV wasn't great but that Sheffield United team was a pretty good one.

[St Charles Owl]

What you guys are really missing is Paul Cook!! He was plucked from relative obscurity, had a 45% win ration with you, got you promoted to League 1 and then had you in the play offs the following season before jumping ship to Pompey. Since then you have seen three managers who have struggled to varying degrees. Saunders was on a hiding to nothing following Cook, Wilson for me is a journeyman manager who hops off and on the old school managers merry go round and Caldwell was a disaster throughout. Of course you aren't going to get Cook back but maybe Lester is in the same mould as a virtual unknown who given time and resources could get the ship turned around. Just might be too late for this year and if thats the case it will take a strong club to keep him for next season, yet that might be the best option.

[bluepooch]

Matt ,you mean close results like 0-3 Scunthorpe, 0-5 Wycombe ,1-4 Accrington,1-4 Sheff U ,2-5 Peterborough,0-3 Rochdale 1-3 Millwall,1-3 Northampton ?
These results were in the space of a few months .
Charles you're stating the obvious with Paul Cook ,all town fans cry themselves to sleep over losing him .

[spireitematt]

Matt ,you mean close results like 0-3 Scunthorpe, 0-5 Wycombe ,1-4 Accrington,1-4 Sheff U ,2-5 Peterborough,0-3 Rochdale 1-3 Millwall,1-3 Northampton ?
These results were in the space of a few months .
Charles you're stating the obvious with Paul Cook ,all town fans cry themselves to sleep over losing him .

Under Caldwell we lost 4-1 Newport, 4-2 Bradford, 4-1 Sheffield Wednesday, 3-1 Grimsby, 5-1 Crewe that was in the space of 1 month!!

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What you guys are really missing is Paul Cook!!  He was plucked from relative obscurity, had a 45% win ration with you, got you promoted to League 1 and then had you in the play offs the following season before jumping ship to Pompey.  Since then you have seen three managers who have struggled to varying degrees.  Saunders was on a hiding to nothing following Cook, Wilson for me is a journeyman manager who hops off and on the old school managers merry go round and Caldwell was a disaster throughout.  Of course you aren't going to get Cook back but maybe Lester is in the same mould as a virtual unknown who given time and resources could get the ship turned around.  Just might be too late for this year and if thats the case it will take a strong club to keep him for next season, yet that might be the best option.

Paul Cook was a great manager and if he was given the budget and kept the squad together he would have took us up to the Championship the season after we made the playoffs.

Saunders started the season off well in the first 2 months and it look promising and then it seemed to go wrong.

Wilson steadied the ship and kept us in L1 and then when he tried to rebuild he struggled with a small budget.

Caldwell signed the wrong players and kept playing 3-5-2 every match and it didn't work.

I think Lester will get it right he just needs time.