[drewks]

But at the moment they only review what the referee isn’t sure about and if he didn’t see the push on Barry, which I assume he didn’t then he was only asking for it to be used to check if it was offside or not, which it was.  Its not perfect but it will evolve and get better.

Yes but on reviewing the footage the first offence, the penalty, would have been seen ...... penalty.

...as in Rugby Union - the replay very often shows another infringement that wasn't originally identified. I really don't see why football can't just follow what RU do - the groundwork has been done, let's not reinvent the wheel.

[St Charles Owl]

But at the moment they only review what the referee isn’t sure about and if he didn’t see the push on Barry, which I assume he didn’t then he was only asking for it to be used to check if it was offside or not, which it was.  Its not perfect but it will evolve and get better.

Yes but on reviewing the footage the first offence, the penalty, would have been seen ...... penalty.

...as in Rugby Union - the replay very often shows another infringement that wasn't originally identified. I really don't see why football can't just follow what RU do - the groundwork has been done, let's not reinvent the wheel.

Ok, but how far back do you go? What if there was a foul before the ball reached the box, would that be counted? There has to be a line drawn somewhere, in this case the ref wanted to know if a player was offside for the goal, he wasn’t asking about reviewing anything else as he didn’t see any other infringement during live play.

[Beefy 1965]

But at the moment they only review what the referee isn’t sure about and if he didn’t see the push on Barry, which I assume he didn’t then he was only asking for it to be used to check if it was offside or not, which it was.  Its not perfect but it will evolve and get better.

Yes but on reviewing the footage the first offence, the penalty, would have been seen ...... penalty.

...as in Rugby Union - the replay very often shows another infringement that wasn't originally identified. I really don't see why football can't just follow what RU do - the groundwork has been done, let's not reinvent the wheel.

Ok, but how far back do you go?  What if there was a foul before the ball reached the box, would that be counted?  There has to be a line drawn somewhere, in this case the ref wanted to know if a player was offside for the goal, he wasn’t asking about reviewing anything else as he didn’t see any other infringement during live play.

I agree St Charles
However it was a dead ball situation that need not go back in these circumstances, the "double" push happened seconds before the ball hit the back off the net,
Your right a line has to be drawn, but something that happened in the same picture frame is pretty damning and from that a penalty should surely have been awarded

[BaggieSteve]

My problem with VAR is that it's now getting involved in subjective decisions. These are not linear decisions where it's black or white/on or off/yes or no but ones where the VAR is making a subjective call, just as the referee would be required to make a subjective call in real time. What's the difference, it's still subjective? Someone making a delayed call 200 miles away on a penalty is still a subjective call, it really is not definitive, it just can't be, it's not possible. So just let the referee make the call as we've already done. I'm sorry but the decisions made by VAR were not definitive, I strongly disagree with the decision to disallow Dawson's header. This was not a line call, it was an interpretation of interference- guess what, this is subjective! So how has this improved the previous situation? In my view it hasn't changed anything except allowing the TV pundits to pontificate even more moronically than before

[Beefy 1965]

Mignolet pushes Barry in the box before the cross comes over. The VAR saw it but gives nothing, just offside. If you can see the offside, you can see the push. If you disallow the goal, you give a penalty.

[drewks]

But at the moment they only review what the referee isn’t sure about and if he didn’t see the push on Barry, which I assume he didn’t then he was only asking for it to be used to check if it was offside or not, which it was.  Its not perfect but it will evolve and get better.

Yes but on reviewing the footage the first offence, the penalty, would have been seen ...... penalty.

...as in Rugby Union - the replay very often shows another infringement that wasn't originally identified. I really don't see why football can't just follow what RU do - the groundwork has been done, let's not reinvent the wheel.

Ok, but how far back do you go?  What if there was a foul before the ball reached the box, would that be counted?  There has to be a line drawn somewhere, in this case the ref wanted to know if a player was offside for the goal, he wasn’t asking about reviewing anything else as he didn’t see any other infringement during live play.

Charlie - as I say, RU manage to do it without any problem. I think we are tending to over complicate things; even if it was at the end of a flowing 25 pass movement that we are so famous for, we are looking at the end of it. If an infringement is seen as the move develops then yes, it should be brought back to that point. How far back do we go ......ask the rugby guys!
As Beefy says tho, in this case it was from a corner.......

[Dingle-Dingle]

Mignolet pushes Barry in the box before the cross comes over. The VAR saw it but gives nothing, just offside. If you can see the offside, you can see the push. If you disallow the goal, you give a penalty.

The goalkeeper is manhandling an attacking player who does not have the ball to gain an advantage. It is a foul and as last defender a red card. DD

[4evaabaggie]

At corners attackers crowd the keeper to make him uncomfortable before getting onside just before it's taken, The push on Barry made him off balance so he could not get out of the way, that's a foul, worse than that without the ball or the ball near by its an assault ...... penalty and red card ........

[valpayne]

WBA should make a formal complaint against mariner like everyone else on here I am 100% certain this guy is not supposed to officiate games involving WBA. I wrote to the club and pointed this out when he made that incorrect decision against us at chelsea and WBA wrote back saying they weren't aware of the Mariner issue but surely they are now? The man shouldn't have even been in the stadium imo.

The decisions. Firstly the penalty. Seeing as VAR was being used it was incredibly naive of JL to lay a hand on Salah because he was clearly applying hand to shoulder however what did he have up his sleeve a taser stick? Salah certainly went down like he'd been electrocuted and should have been cautioned for diving IMO

The Dawson goal. Daws was onside and Barry was being fouled by Mignolet as we can see here and it was the bottom half of one of Barrys' legs what happened to benefit to the attacker and as he didn't touch the ball was he interfering with play or being interfered with?

The third goal that stood at this point it was becoming a farce as Marinner seemed determined to use VAR at every given opportunity to disrupt and deny Albion and favour Liverpool but he couldn't make this one stick so we got a deserved 3rd

My thoughts are obviously Mariner should not have been an official wtf are the FA doing allowing him officiating any game involving WBA. The VAR became almost farcical. West Brom played brilliantly and that's been overshadowed by the VAR nonsense. As Pardew said VAR has to be available to the coaching staff and fans because it caused confusion and took far too long to get to a decision. I also believe the ref should be the one to call on VAR if he is not sure not the other way round.

On a brighter note if we can play like that more often we may just get out of the mess were in. Pardew had said he was going to get at Liverpool and this was certainly what we did. It was the best performance from us for years

[Kennyg]

Yesterday I e-mailed the PGMOL to ask why Andre Marriner was officiating us as a video referee. If I get a reply I shall let you know!