[spireitematt]

So the EU Referendum triggering Article 50 is over the first hurdle.

Ayes: 498
Noes: 114

Majority: 384

612 voted 38 abstained but 4 of those are Northern Ireland seats and 2 seats are unseated at the moment.

47 Labour MPs voted against triggering Article 50. Oh and two of the Shadow Cabinet have resigned.

[bluepooch]

Don't you just love it when the Blairs,Cleggs ,Clarkes,Bransons,Camerons of this world are ignored .Oh and that insignificant Lib Dem Leader I cant remember the name of.

[spireitematt]

Don't you just love it when the Blairs,Cleggs ,Clarkes,Bransons,Camerons of this world are ignored .Oh and that insignificant Lib Dem Leader I cant remember the name of.

Still a long way to go Pooch. It will now go to a committee meeting where they will try and make amendments then it goes back to the House of Commons to be voted on again for a 3rd time and if or when its passes the House of Commons a 3rd time it then goes to the House of Lords and if it passes the House of Lords it then goes off to the Queen to sign off and eventually it will be made law.

[Devongone]

We had to go to the courts to find that Parliament had to ratify the referendum result for it to be constitutional, thus making Parliament sovereign. Then Labour parliamentary idiots voted against the Bill because their constitutency voted Remain, suggesting the voice of the People should be sovereign ..... but only that small section which had voted them into the decaying and rabid House in the first place.

Wouldn't it have been more honest to say that as representatives rather than delegates they were elected to voice their opinion in a House the courts had confirmed as sovereign, so, as they thought the people were wrong to vote for Brexit they were continuing to oppose the will of the people?

If the will of the people were truly respected in the way politicians currently pay lip-service isn't it true we'd have all kinds of unpleasant Trumpish laws? So is Parliament there to enact the will of the people OR thwart it for the people's own good? Discuss .....

So glad I don't believe in representative democracy.

[spireitematt]

We had to go to the courts to find that Parliament had to ratify the referendum result for it to be constitutional, thus making Parliament sovereign. Then Labour parliamentary idiots voted against the Bill because their consitutency voted Remain,

They did that to save their jobs. It will split the Tories and Labour this will and wouldn't be surprised if a new party is formed.

[Devongone]

I always thought the referendum wasn't going to turn out well for the Tories in the long-term. I should've have known Labour would find a way ukfc themselves in a phone box.

[spireitematt]

Labour are such a shambles its embarrassing.

[Devongone]

Don't be embarrassed Matt. Under Blair we were far less embarrassing, but only because it didn't really matter what anyone believed. At least some of the divisions now are because of the irreconcilable differences that have always existed within the party.

Class loyalty and financial interests always glue splitting Tories back together. Labour needs to recognise the same things at its heart ...... but capitalism's rewards and fleshpots distract it, because too many of those at the top of the party succeed in taking one step beyond being just like the Tories.

[hibeejim21]

Labours in an impossible position. Their vote is totally split.

[Dancingwilldoit]

Whilst ever Corbyn is in charge Labour will be a wreck. Having first class numpties like Diane Abbott supporting and backing him to the hilt will just give him more and more encouragement to stay on. Unless he steps down labour will be decimated at any election.
Madame May will wipe the floor with him.