[spireitematt]

Should we have a 2nd referendum? Did people know what they were voting for or were they lied to and misled?

[bluepooch]

Im guessing 99% of leave voters would still vote the same way .Would more people now vote leave seeing as cameron and osborne and the liberal elite lied to the public about the economy collapsing if the vote didnt go their way .

[Devongone]

Did the people know what they were voting for?
Were they misled?

In what ways was the EU Referendum different from all recent elections. We don't get to re-run them because we've been told the NHS is safe in Tory hands ...... and then they hand it over to a mad-eyed whispering psycho like Jeremy Hunt.

I think the people accidentally got it right this time. Italy will probably crash the Euro when Five Star wins in 2017, Marine Le Pen is not a no-hoper in France. Our problem is actually getting out, not being out.

[bluepooch]

I wasn't asked to vote for a hard or soft Brexit.I understood it to be a simple in or out.Voting for Brexit and all it entails or staying in the Euro and all that entails.
But if I'm honest my vote was really a vote against the establishment ,the Liberal elite.The politicians,the academics, the celebrity luvvies .
The one thing this has done is confuse me as to which party I have the most affinity with .I'm disgusted with most Labour MPs who are daring to question their own constituents and try and tell us we were wrong to vote Leave.If it does come to a Parliamentary vote they would not dare vote against the will of their constituents or their job will be on the line .
I am ready for a new party to be born ,a party which is proud of its British heritage but is also focused on fair financial equality.,giving opportunities for everyone.A party which represents the ordinary working man.Which I feel none of the main parties do at the moment. Over the last 40 years whether its been Tory rule or New Labour ,the gap between rich and poor has continued to widen .There is a programme on tomorrow called Slum Britain which suggests that poverty rates nowadays are as great if not greater than 50 years ago.This cannot continue.

[spireitematt]

I think people saying that 17 million people are all racist or they didn't know what they were voting for insults their intelligence. I reckon the majority knew what they were voting for.

I voted remain purely on economic reasons but we have to accept the result and remain lost that's democracy. A lot of people who are protesting and want the result overturned are protesting against democracy. If remain had won 52% - 48% people would have accepted the result even though there would be a minority still pushing for another referendum. A lot of people my age group don't even know what the EU is or what it stands for all they care about is the foreign holidays and a few people I know believe there is nothing wrong with having a federalised Europe with everyone under 1 flag, 1 currency, 1 anthem. Which I find rather frightening.

[Devongone]

Pooch you sound as though you'd support everything Corbyn stood for until his friends pushed him into leadership ..... which was very much the platform of his mentor Tony Benn.

The irony of the current situation is we are meant to believe that for Parliament to be sovereign it now has to vote on whether to trigger Brexit, no one says that had we voted Remain then that position should have returned to Parliament for its approval before we could stay .......... because that notion is plainly bollocks. If one is bollocks, so is the other, but bollocks is defined by the establishment, so the people have to wait to be told what's what. Which is another illustration of why people feel disqualified from politics and deliberately know nothing about it ...... because if they ever do take an interest, a method will always be found to disregard their voice.

[Dancingwilldoit]

When I was a 16 year old apprentice, the older guys kept saying - "come the revolution, things will change". Nearly 60 years on and still awaiting the revolution that will never come. As long as I live I know for fact that things will never change because for all people may talk about it, bottom line is they are shit scared of it.
The status quo will remain. I was scared and still am of a future outside the EU. Yes we may make a go of it but looking at the egotistical idiots currently running our country I doubt very much that we will. Leaving the EU is going to be a long hard process just to get the powers that be in this country to agree a way forward even before we start negotiating with Europe.
Its the people of Matts generation I am sorry for. It doesn't matter what we do now its going to cost them and cost them dearly. Maybe when we had the referendum people over the age of 50 shouldn't have had a vote because it really was a vote about the future, not a protest vote against the establishment.

[bluepooch]

Youre right that it shouldnt have been a vote against the establishment ( i do disagree with your notion that this was restricted to the over 50s) but what other way could the forgotten masses make their voices heard ? Certainly not through our grossly unfair election system .

[spireitematt]

Dancing don't feel sorry for our generation because even if we stay how long before the EU actually disbands. France aren't happy, Italy aren't happy.

We elect MPs to Parliament to represent us and to make our laws what is the point of Parliament if the European Union overrules our own laws. What needs to happen is it needs to go back to the common market.

Before we joined the Common Market in 1973 did the UK have lack of jobs? I've been told by people you could leave a job on a Friday and walk into a new one on a Monday because someone else was offering more money. As a nation we had industry and we produced things. We had the best steelworks in the World, we had coal mines, we had car manufacturers and now we don't really make anything and export it to the World we import it in because its cheaper.

Our Welfare system and NHS is under stress due to Tory cuts and immigration and their is a correlation between immigration, lack of housing and lack of jobs. People who come to this country from poor European countries they are happy to work for less than the living wage or minimum wage which pushes wages down.

The only benefit I can see to people my age group of the EU is living and working abroad in Europe and being able to go on holiday. But couldn't people work and live abroad before the EU?

Also how long before it evolves into the World Union?

Dancing you can't say people over the age of 50 shouldn't have voted because they were more likely to vote out or because its a vote for the future, they pay their taxes and they fought for our country so they have a right just like everyone else. But I think 16/17 years should have had a say.

[Devongone]

I'd be delighted with votes for 16 year olds.

Don't really see the correlation between youth and the EU when Italy runs youth unemployment at 40%, Spain's over 30 isn't it, Greece is almost everyone ...... The palpable failure of EU countries is why we've had such disquiet over immigration. You're young, ambitious and you want to make a life for yourself ...... if you are Greek, Italian, Spanish or French or Polish this is the place to be .....

The mantra seems to be that people who voted for Brexit are are suffering voter regret. For myself, as more evidence accumulates of the crumbling nature of the EU I find it difficult to understand why remainers aren't changing their minds in droves. I voted BREXIT with ONLY THE FUTURE in mind.

The idiots in the negotiations will be by no means confined to our side. The problem will not be with our negotiating skills or our aims and objectives, it will be getting anything like an agreed, consistent voice from 27 countries which share very little in common. They won't be able to give us favourable terms simply because they cannot possibly agree them amongst themselves.

The EU's inability to cope with a country leaving is a demonstration of why it is an organisation without a future.