30-06-2016, 14:10
(This post was last modified: 30-06-2016, 14:13 by spireitematt.)
(30-06-2016, 09:34)Dancingwilldoit Wrote: Matt,
You make same presumptive mistake that Boris has made - "the EU needs us". What bollocks, it simply doesn't. On what do you base this argument? Lidl and Aldi will be upset or VW Merc and BM wont be able to sell us their cars? Why not? It will make no difference to them unless we start adding import taxes and then the fun will really start. Do you honestly believe the EU will collapse or will allow us free trade without strings - and a lot of them?
We will still end up paying money into the EU for a trade agreement and still end up with free movement of people. So what exactly has the out vote won? Sorry I forgot, "our sovereignty".
Just because we think we are important doesn't mean the rest of the world thinks the same. America are now saying No Investment in the UK or Europe. Its a simple fact that USA and countries like China and Germany control world markets. We don't matter, we are insignificant, we are no longer a world power. The world will carry on without us. As part of the EU at least we had a voice even if it wasn't always heard. Sometimes it was when we made sense. Who is going to listen know?
But it works both ways Dancing we can put import taxes on the stuff we export to Europe. Just look at the markets look at countries who are in the Eurozone. Sooner or later the Eurozone will break up the EU because one currency for all was never going to work. Italy are on the verge of collapse and apparently need a £40 billion bail out, look at Portugal, Spain, Greece they might need another bail out soon. They said by 2019 that all countries must take the Euro to stay in the EU that means we would probably have been pushed to have it. Look at Spain, Portugal, Greece, Ireland. Every country in the EU has mass high levels of youth unemployment and unemployment. The people of Greece voted against austerity in a referendum and the EU ignored them and went ahead with it anyway. They made Ireland vote twice on the Lisbon treaty till they got the result they wanted how is that democratic?
After the war it firstly started off as the European coal and steel community then it became the European Economic Community (Common Market) then it became the European community and now its the European union. How long before it becomes the United States of Europe? and the whole of Europe is being ruled by Brussels. People's parents and Grandparents didn't fight two World Wars so we could be ruled by Europe they fought for liberty, freedom and most important of all democracy.
Looking back I was scaremongered into voting remain because the remain camp pretty much talked about how it would be Armageddon and the whole World would collapse around us. There has been lies and scaremongering on both sides.
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