They are not blameless Amelia (read my previous thread #40) and I've watched some sickening scenes of sheer violence against anybody wearing an England shirt but IMO the prob has been 'stoked up big time' - as usual, I'll bet many innocent victims have got dragged in to the mire. Looking at Snoots thread re critical fans - I'd wager that these fans were attacked in the local port in these sickening attacks where England fans were literally 'getting their heads kicked in' by some sinister big people wearing balaclavas - really vicious and dangerous!! The craic re these Russian aggressors/fans seems to centre on an alliance of Zenet SP and CSKA Moscow ultras(?) causing mayhem in the city. They were possibly involved in the attacks inside the stadium just after the match ended!! As soon as I saw the flares and heard the thunder flashes from the Russian end of the ground, my gut told me something was gonna 'kick off' and I was right!! I believe there is more violence in the city as well - a poisonous atmosphere that has prevailed for the past three days!!