[Devongone]

England fans make themselves such a bad joke. I can understand an hour or two before a big game being excited, but days before our lot are sitting in cafes swilling beer taking off their shirts to reveal bodies that could never be successfully involved in any sport other than darts and singing and chanting as though they are at a game. They are someone's sons, someone's brothers, they're the fathers of children, some are even grandads ........ and they are white straight blokes only. Women don't do it, black men don't do it, I've never read about gay football fans devastating a city centre, transgender incidences total 0. So what makes white men fuel their sad little semi-erect cocks with testosterone and head out onto foreign streets to chant inanely and create an atmosphere of incipient violence in a place where they should be behaving as guests? No wonder French Riot police can't calm them down. They're used to riots. In France this constitutes a riot. They've no idea this is what passes for normal with this variety of naked ape.

As usual we'll engage in the game of who provoked what and by who. And as with something like Orgreave we'll be asking who started it, who charged who ran ......... and we'll never get to grips with the real problem that it shouldn't be like that anyway. Set up two opposing lines of soldiers and surprise surprise you get a war. It shouldn't be riot police, they shouldn't be like that, because it shouldn't look like a riot. Our fans shouldn't be acting like pricks ...... just because they are. If we wanted to stop it we could. We should ask the French to deport anyone they decide is involved, to stamp their passport DEPORTED and when they get back to England that passport should be destroyed and never replaced. Family pressure on these sons, brothers, fathers, uncles and grandads would be so intense once it was realised there would be no more family trips abroad we'd never hear of such a problem again.

I'm afraid I can be pretty hard-line as a socialist. Castro never confused socialism with liberalism, but we do it all the time. Drag 'em home by their fat tattoos and never let them scar the rest of the world again ......... We can't expect the French to behave as if we're normal if we don't conform to the standards they expect.