[valpayne]

We did not take the game to Man City on the opening day. That is just simply not true. It was one in a long succession of insipid, listless performances, but at least then we had the excuse of playing someone good.
And this 'hoofball vs relegation' debate is to some extent a false dichotomy. I realise you have to play with a degree of caution and cannot leave yourself too open, but we go so far the other way it is unbelievable. I simply don't accept that this is the only way these players can play. Particularly when we are against teams no better than us.
My friend is a Barnsley fan and we saw them play the other week, and in all honesty they were far better than us at stringing 3-4 passes together, so I also don't accept that all lower league football is hoofball.
Come on people, we all deserve better than the football that is being served up to us at the moment. The bottom line is that it is simply not fun to watch.

forgive me may but I didn't see the city game so what I meant was TP apologised after the game coz he said he went for a formation to attack city and got it wrong which actually reinforces my point.

secondly I'm fairly sure we have strung 3 or 4 passes together many times this season but some people choose to focus on negatives 

I've played football briefly for a lower league team just after I left school (I left my home town to Pursue a different career in London) what I remember distinctly was how much harder every aspect of the game was compared to school and local boys teams training was harder fitness levels higher tackling was tougher the pace quicker so whilst I'm sure Barnsley can play some pretty stuff in a lower division against teams of similar standing? year in year out the cup competitions prove its a different level and more often than not a premier league team wins those competitions with occasional exception from the championship  

My main point is I do not want to see my team in the lower leagues even if it's only for one selfish reason which is I can't get to games any more as I work most weekends in London and I'm not very well paid so I rely on sky for all my WBA viewing 

i do agree theres issues with the way we're playing and I would like to see serious improvement but it is what it is we don't attract the big names so we don't have players that can run rings round other teams of similar stature