[4evaabaggie]

"It's about time this country faced the reality of its bloody history of empire-building."

- Not till we get an apology from the Itis, the Scandinavians, and the Normans.

I had family tortured by the Romans, and I grieve for them every day. (This was 80 generations ago, but the pain just doesn't go away.)

Talksaft, good point well made, many countries many sects many religions have all sort to build empires and legacies for various reasons thoroughout history, but it is exactly that history. Times and values change, we as a nation have done good things and bad things in the name of God and patriotism, as has most of the world, does not make it right or wrong. Misguided beliefs cause death and suffering, tolerance and respect is the only answer. Have your views but do not use them or historical events to justify ill well or disgraceful behaviour. Let sport be sport and politics be ..... well crap that ruins everything else in truth