That's my main point Jim. It's like "time stood still" for them when it comes to that kinda stuff. And Newhaven, I'm really surprised you made no comment re the 2016 Scottish Cup final "great atmosphere" when legions of Hibs fans were in "full voice" v Rangers at Hampden Park rather than dwelling on scarf-twirling (there are not that many other footie clubs with fans who actually do this!) and flag-waving of Hertz fans plus a "put down" of a great song called Sunshine on Leith that is highly regarded in music circles and has been for years although accepted there will always be some folk who dislike it albeit in a minority IMO - based on current and past positive chat/requests on music radio down the years??? As though Hibs fans never did any flag-waving in matches gone by! I certainly don't regard it as one huge factor to add to a match atmosphere and it doesn't last very long anyway unless Hertz are winning. I regard a full display of held high Hibs scarves throughout the stands as superior to that kinda scarf-twirling nonsense, but everyone to their own opinion. Also I'm surprised Inverurie Jambo never gave you another "like" on thread #17! 