[spireitematt]

I honestly don't think we will get out of the group. Southgate is too defensive minded and too conservative by trying to play it safe, the amount of talent that we have on offer we should be getting to the semi-final or final but just can't see it happening. Even if we win the group we are probably going out in the last 16 as we will have to play Germany, France or Portugal who come 2nd in Group F. Whoever comes 2nd in our group have to play whoever comes 2nd in Group E which means Spain, Sweden, Poland or Slovakia.

I reckon Italy will win it under Mancini. Turkey and the Netherlands I would say will be the dark horses.

I'd be pretty disappointed if we didn't get out of the group given that the best 4 3rd place teams also qualify for the last 16. They key is obviously getting off to a decent start for both Scotland and England. If they can both get a win in that first game then that should ease the pressure on both teams.
You're spot on with the round of 16 draw if we win or come 2nd in the group but if you're going to win this then sooner or later you have to play a giant of the European nations.

A bit of luck and its anyones

I would love for us to go as far as possible even win it but it reminds me too much of 2016 when Hodgson didn't know his best team. I would like to see Scotland and Wales go as far as possible as it's always good to see the home nations do well at tournaments.

I agree sooner or later you have to play the likes of Portugal, France, Germany etc.