[BaggieSteve]

Sorry to disagree Slick but Livermore’s tackle is a red. In the current climate, diving in and studs up will be a red card, even if you get the ball; the referee judges it as intent to foul. Whether any of us think this is fair really doesn’t matter. More importantly, all the players know this so why Livermore made that tackle is beyond me. He has cost us; we’re back in a Crystal Palace scenario, only against our biggest rivals. The guy is a complete dick!

Agree, as I stated in my post he was brainless. As soon as you jump in, you give the ref a decision to make. Even more stupid after being fouled, all he had to go was go down.

Still don't think it was a red though as there wasn't any contact or even close to any. I mean, a Villa fan at work saying it was the same as Lundsteom's earlier. I simply don't see it, Lundstrom went over the ball and then through the man. Livermore jumped yes, but hooked his foot around the ball. He didn't make any contact with Grealish at all, but Grealish goes rolling, shin pads out, like he's been shot.

There doesn’t have to be contact with the player; there have been plenty of examples in the last 2-3 seasons where a player has tackled, got the ball but has been seen by the referee as using excessive force and sent off as a result with the tackle being deemed as reckless. Livermore’s tackle ticked those boxes for the ref or rather VAR. A tackle like that years ago would have been applauded and no foul given but not now. Livermore knows that so why he launched himself at Grealish is beyond me. It was totally irresponsible. I think we would have lost anyway as the team was complete shite over the whole ninety minutes but you can’t escape the fact that Livermore, as skipper, was utterly stupid.