[madsteve]

Agreed with the manager part, but out of the Old Guard, Gerrard apart (and wouldn't be fair to call for him to come back so soon) there was only JT that was consistently good, has a terrific CB partnership woth GC, sweated blood and guts for his country and was a natural leader, something which we now no longer have and has been in superb form and never lost that form for me. Gerrard's time probably was up for me too as much as I rate him highly but I think he too has gone off the boil a bit but Henderson has come in and done a solid job in his place.

If JT came in for a season or two and helped the likes of Jones (who's far better at CB than the other positions he's played in), Stones and Chambers then one of those three could hopefully lead us out. Also there is Wilshere who has been touted as a future captain but he needs to keep injury free and maintain a good level of consistency.

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And that's why the promising front three of Studge, Sterling and Welbeck could be distrupted as Rooney doesn't click with any three of them in my opinion! No matter how bad Rooney plays for let it be Utd or England he'll be starting games based on his past reputation and will also play as he is the captain...albeit not a Natural one, and that's yet another problem we have, who else is there who can be England Captain??? John Terry, would love it if he came out of retirement as he is our only world class CB

I don't think Rooney has lost his hunger. Think it is just that he isn't magical at the level required to beat the best teams. Sure, he scores plenty of goals against the minnows but if we really want to win a major trophy then Sturridge, Wellbeck & Stirling are the future with Walcott, AOC & Barkley not far behind.

If he hasn't lost his hunger then where was the tracking back and where was the fight and aggression that we all know he can show...there was none of that last week and on Mon night??

A lot of sense but JT back is madness.