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I disagree re your insinuation that the remain and leave campaigns went two ways but definitely not gonna cover "old ground" that has been re the same "opinions", counter opinions and platitudes time n time again ad nauseum. Also a good point re your reference to the media over the past 30 years that kept "spoon feeding" the same anti EU shit on and on and on for decades with the Rupert Murdoch press at the forefront of this one-sided nonsense - as though the historically poor governance of successive British governments somehow didn't matter and again I'm not gonna refer to reams n reams of British govt misdemeanours that this RW propaganda press conveniently ignored and slapped down as much blame as possible on the "nasty EU"!! I had older relatives, some now deceased, who were classic examples of being duped by some of these RW "rags" that call themselves newspapers until some of these deceptions/lies were explained a bit more clearly why they were happening and there were perfectly clear counter explanations i.e, DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING THAT YOU READ IN RW NEWSPAPERS THAT HAVE THEIR OWN POLITICAL AGENDA AND THEIR REPORTERS ARE BEING PAID TO DO IT!!! I await Jim to add a lot more detail to the federalism argument etc, - all stuff that, as previously commented, has been repeated time n time again in OPs under "Abstract chat" and you can actually look it up. There is only so much one can talk about after over 3 years of listening to all the Brexiteer arguments about regaining sovereignty (btw not Scottish Sovereignty!!!), "getting back control" etc etc etc etc etc - now that line was always a laugh!! And there are many other repeat revelations of the "land of milk and honey" but there was never any substance attached to these assurances of greatness returning to the English, oops meant to say British Empire - pardon my sarcasm but they were "opinions" right enough!! Nothing "written on stone" but full of great hope although there are enough independently studied government papers (north and south of the border and in NI), some of them secret and hidden from public view, that provide an alarming picture of a very uncertain future. You can look them up and decide for yourself if it is actually "fake news", a common dismissive technique used by Trump and his cohorts for a long time!! A lotta of them are government stamped as authentic!! Maybe they are fake too because they don't suit the Brexit arguments eh!! I'm sure Saint Charles Owl will add a few additional comments to enlighten us further on such crass RW techniques to deflect away from glaring criticism that could damage reputations - well used "across the pond" by you know who!! Lastly lets hope none of us catch any nasty illness after Brexit possibly becomes reality as we may not get our medicine in time!! Maybe the qualified comments by NHS practitioners "on the ground" are fake as well (sic).