10-01-2019, 19:55
Do you really think May was a Remainer, or even is a Remainer?
Do you really think Corbyn is a Remainer? He certainly was absolutely anti-EU whilst Tony Benn was alive. But then so was John McDonnell! And I have to admit to being baffled by how many Momentum supporters are Remainers - I know a lot of them being young have never known anything else - but I cannot see how any of the ambitions of a growing EU can contribute to the achievement of socialism. It is hard enough to see how voting Labour and joining the party achieves that goal!
But you're right, everyone had a different vision of what Brexit was and what it might be like, because there'd never been a Frexit or a Grexit, or a Spexit before. I don't see anything particularly abhorrent in asking the peoples' opinion again. But equally you could make all the same arguments about any election we've ever had. No one ever knew what it would mean and they were always lied to and governments either ignored or twisted every promise made .............
Significantly in the past when we've faced important questions like should Capital Punishment be discontinued we haven't asked the people ........ because politicians knew the people would give the answer they thought was wrong and bind them forever. But where that thought leads us I've no idea.
I certainly can't see how the path opens up for us not to leave the EU, but I've great faith that the voice of Capital will eventually outweigh the voice of the people or democracy.
Do you really think Corbyn is a Remainer? He certainly was absolutely anti-EU whilst Tony Benn was alive. But then so was John McDonnell! And I have to admit to being baffled by how many Momentum supporters are Remainers - I know a lot of them being young have never known anything else - but I cannot see how any of the ambitions of a growing EU can contribute to the achievement of socialism. It is hard enough to see how voting Labour and joining the party achieves that goal!
But you're right, everyone had a different vision of what Brexit was and what it might be like, because there'd never been a Frexit or a Grexit, or a Spexit before. I don't see anything particularly abhorrent in asking the peoples' opinion again. But equally you could make all the same arguments about any election we've ever had. No one ever knew what it would mean and they were always lied to and governments either ignored or twisted every promise made .............
Significantly in the past when we've faced important questions like should Capital Punishment be discontinued we haven't asked the people ........ because politicians knew the people would give the answer they thought was wrong and bind them forever. But where that thought leads us I've no idea.
I certainly can't see how the path opens up for us not to leave the EU, but I've great faith that the voice of Capital will eventually outweigh the voice of the people or democracy.