Very good comments re the "real facts" surrounding Rangers group and the fact they are clearly not that good, indeed defensively awful when pressed by any decent, hi press side. Re Celtic's group, yes, I'm also intrigued by that "Red Bull connection" and how significant it will be in deciding who progresses from that group. That final game v RB Salzburg could well be Celtic's "cup final" v opponents who are in top form and are better than the Hoops. However, Celtic can beat any top team at home on such "big nights"! I suspect that both RB owned teams will progress but wait n see!