[jjamez]

Think at times wagner gets scared of trying to play football against the bigger sides after what happened against Tottenham last season, it hurt his ego. Now he tries to play defensive/ conservative and lets be fair yes it worked against chelsea away, manc away and manure at home, but it also resulted in same damn good thrashings.

Personally I think we should just get into them, we did at the start yesterday and they didn't like it, yes we may lose some games, but the defensive game has had the same results. I'd rather lose but have a go, than lose and be camping on the edge of our area, like Liverpool and Chelsea at home last year. Tbh manc and Chelsea away should be viewed as outliers due to the scenario we was in at the time.

Yesterday I thought we were good in patches especially in the first half. But we were also very pedestrian at times. There were times when at freekicks a diagonal ball was on, but we just roll it back to the centre half, then to the keeper and then we have no momentum or impetus, thus making us toothless and predictable. Its something we need to work on and have done for a long time, I just think that is one area wagner is either naive in regards to or down right stubborn to change his idea on it. It is one of my only major criticism of wagner