21-03-2018, 18:31
(This post was last modified: 21-03-2018, 18:58 by spireitematt.)
(21-03-2018, 03:04)St Charles Owl Wrote:(19-03-2018, 19:46)spireitematt Wrote: People turn round and say but it works in America but the reason it works in America is because it is one whole country and they share the same traditions, culture, identity and language. Plus they all share the same laws with some exceptions in some states.
Not sure that is correct from what I have seen. There is no official language in the US, the government consistently resists attempts to declare an official language and I hear foreign languages as much as I do English when walking around, especially Spanish for obvious reasons. I also think a lot of the problems the US has derive from local or regional traditions and cultures being overrun or watered down by federal laws or immigration. Take it from me, a person from the Deep South (Alabama, Louisiana etc) is very different from a person from the Midwest (Illinois, Michigan) who is again very different from those on the West Coast.
As regards laws, they too differ quite a bit from one state to the next. Obviously the main laws society is based on are consistent but a hell of a lot of other laws are state, county or city specific.
I know there is no official language but you understand what I mean.
(21-03-2018, 12:26)Dancingwilldoit Wrote: Matt, you are so wrong. Brits go elsewhere because the cost of living is lower or the weather is better. It has nothing to do with being rich or having lots of money. Just watch the Bits Abroad series on CH5. They go to try and make a go of things that they couldn't afford to do in the UK. Others like Charles go to work abroad, its not a new concept, they go to try and better their lives.
Blue, Yes I own my own business but like most other companies in the UK I don't employ cheap foreign labour on a cash in hand basis, I am not rich, I don't fleece my employees and I take no more than a living out of my business in which I invested both mine and my wife's pensions to set up. Nobody that works for me earns the minimum wage. Its a family business and will hopefully give me a pension back when I retire and give my 2 sons a living for the foreseeable future. I took a big risk when I set it up and resent any insinuation that all business owners are out to make a quick buck and fleece workers.
The number of Pakistani's, Indians and Africans in the country has absolutely bog all to do with the EU. Its the UK's own immigration policy that's to blame - if there is any blame. It bothers me not one bit, IMO it makes us richer in terms of knowledge and lifestyle.
2 years ago I went on a sales call to an engineering firm in Bradford. When I walked into the main office there were at least 8 or 9 Sheiks worked there (including the owner). What was most strange was that they all to a man spoke with the broadest Yorkshire accents I have ever heard, there were also white Europeans worked there as well before you say anything. That's integration, it might take generations for some but its the UK we all live in. Like I have said before you cant turn the clock back its what it is. Learn to live with it.
I have watched that programme Dancing. I know several people who gone abroad to live and work is Australia not Europe. When it comes to the EU for me, I don't like the bureaucracy and the laws. I think it should go back to a common market with freedom of movement etc.
I would love to set up a business or work for myself but have no clue how to go about it.
Immigration isn't the problem why wages are low, it's to do with the standard of living rising quicker than wages. People who work in the public sector have not had a pay rise in years but MPs like to give themselves pay rises nearly all the time. It isn't the EU's fault why immigration is high its because its not being controlled properly by our own Government. Also do people realise that non-EU immigration is actually higher than EU immigration.
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